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**MrDude_1** · 07-25-2007, 01:44 PM

meh, i skimmed over it....

i guess im just used to most forums having their dumbasses... i mean, i figured he wasnt "in" on the scene the second he suggested BUYING a service manual... lol.

**squirrelman** · 07-25-2007, 03:08 PM

sorry Hawk Jr. but the right to be an asshole is in US Constitution's bill of rights in the freedom of speech amendment! something i utilize each and every day!

and remember that there's a difference between being an asshole and just acting like one!

**MrDude_1** · 07-25-2007, 03:28 PM

lol... guys guys.....

noones being banned or censored or anything like that.. but id highly recommend everyone kick it down a notch.. no need to make a big fight over nothing..

the guy just lacks subtlety.... just because he lacks both the mechanical knowledge to do it, and has no ability to explain it online and recommends a shop frequently, doesnt mean he cant be useful to something else.. i mean, eventually there might be a thread on washing a bike or something.

in the mean time, just skim over his posts.. or if it really bugs you, you can set people on ignore....

**tkm433** · 07-25-2007, 06:29 PM

Re: Who the F**K is GTfever?

Originally Posted by Hawk Jr

Who is this guy and why r u a dick?

Im hearing so many "Im completely new to motorcycle mechanics" questions on this site and you guys think you can walk a newbie through it with a post.Unless you have someone who is mechanically minded to either do the procedure or show you in person how, I dont think you should attempt to do this yourself. If you dont have the money to take it to a mechanic I recommend hanging out at a local motorcycle hang-out and find a mentor and please please please Buy a service manual!!!!!
Buy a service manual!!!!!!! Buy a service manual!!!!!!!!!!!!! it will get you moving in the right direction.... Sorry to sound like an A-HOLE but I just wanna save yall heartache, frustration,and money.

You dont understand Motorcycle mechanics!!!!! Buy a service manual!!!!!!!!!!!! Take it to a shop!!!!!!!!!!!!Keep studying the service manual and someday you'll be ready grasshopper. sorry to be an A-hole but if you dont get the basic concepts you shouldnt expect to become enlightened from a post.

I have read a few post where u diss the people on this site including me! We are all here learning about working on our Hawks. Who the fuck gives u the right to post ur asshole comments?

I see ur new to the site this month and I would just rather u have not joined. This site is for people who love there Hawk and want to learn about working/cutomizing/modding them and if you have a problem with some of the questions that are asked about mechanics... keep them too your self!

And the service manuals u keep telling us to read are poorly written and some of the jobs need a little more description... just like getting a Haynes manual!

As far as I am concerned u can take ur shit some where else.

First off I am an Ass at times and if you need proof ask my employees.

So that is out of the way I want to say that GTfever might be new to this site as I am but that does not mean that we are new to motorcycles in general. Yes, he did come across hard and he did even state that he was sorry to be an a-hole but he was more or less correct in telling you to buy a shop manual. Would you take a college course and not buy the books and only depend on your classroom notes for your info and the final exam? Yes, thanks to Dude1 we can down load it from the site and he even gave one to me on disc so the info is out there. Yes, again the shop manual is not written at the level of the newbie to turning a wrench so it is missing some simple stuff that Honda figured the user would already have the knowledge of before attempting to work on their products. I have found that the Haynes manuals are better at walking one through the repair.

I do not know why GTfever does what he does but if I had to guess he is tired of seeing bad info being posted on the internet and he is tired of people becoming so dependent on web sites to answer every question without doing any research. That is my only guess being that I do not even know him.

Everyone wants the answers to the test but they do not want to study. The web has made people lazy in that they no longer are willing to thumb through a repair manual and maybe find the answer so they have become dependent on sites like this to answer their every question and usually take the info in like it is the word of God not knowing who the person posting really is and if the info is even close to being correct.

I have told many members of other motorcycles sites that I have been or still am with to "go and buy a manual" because they are asking questions about torque specs, valve adjustment and other bits of info that I have seen the wrong info posted in response. Simple mistakes such as posting valve adjustment numbers wrong and giving torque numbers as "ftlbs" when they were "inlbs" . So if I had to guess that is why he is telling people to buy a "shop manual". He might come across as an A-hole but he pipes up because he does not want you or anyone to make mistakes that can cost you money or worse your life.

You will be amazed at how much more you will understand your bike if you bother to download or buy a shop manual and glance at it while you are in the bathroom or other down time. Read the sections that cover what you want to do before you even begin working on the bike.

As for "Who the F**K is GTfever?"

Someone who cares!

Think of him as a drill instructor at Marine Boot Camp in that he might come across as an ass but he wants you to learn the correct way of doing the job and for you to survive!

**KDNYC** · 07-25-2007, 07:29 PM

The service manual (I have one, yes and so should everyone with a bike) is somewhat rudimentary and assumes a foundational knowledge. There's no more descriptive Haynes or Clymer available for the Hawk as far as I can tell.

I think most of us look locally for mentors, and this site is an excellent place to look, but owning a bike does mean learning how to do things on one's own. It starts with learning about the bike, getting advice on troubleshooting and tips for repair, and so on. Those with mechanical expertise usually do a lot of the work themselves. They may be new to the Hawk but not necessarily to bikes or engines.

I was raised like most women, which is to say I wasn't overly encouraged to pick up a wrench. I've had to do minor repairs on my bike already, by necessity. I wouldn't undertake anything that would compromise safety unless I had someone more experienced look over the work, but I read and ask questions and do searches whenever I have the opportunity or a question. If I ever have to do a roadside repair, I'd like to be familiar with my bike and all the issues. And I'm planning to take a mc mechanics class here in the upcoming year. There are NO reliable shops here, although we have one excellent Hawk GT mechanic across the Hudson.

Being a rider means being self-reliant to some degree, and the nice thing about this forum is that we can get good advice on things that stump us, and use the forum to ask for help if we're close to other Hawk owners.

My personal take was that GTFever was new and not familiar with the board, so jumping in the way s/he did rankled people. (That, and an excessive use of exclamation marks.) I don't believe s/he intended insult.

ps to GTF: the service manual and partsfiche are available in PDF format. I think they are "stickied" somewhere in the forum.

**hawksonfire** · 07-26-2007, 09:39 AM

OK sh*t, upon starting this I hope this doesnt drag out too long. OK to start we all communicate differently (especially with written word) and a lot can get lost in translation. I wish we could all show each other what we are talking about with video ( especially when we are talking about exact mechanical procedures). Since all of us dont have the ability for internet video I say "get the owners manual" that way we can specifically (ie. page number,section, picture). That way it's harder to mis-dianose someones problem sending them on unnessecary wild goose chases.Ive read a lot of info given to obvious new to motorcycle mechanics thats been bad here. Im sorry yall think Im a [email protected] I wish yall could meet me youd have a different opinion but again a lot is lost in written word so I tend to be blunt. I want yall to fix your problems quickly and hopefully not run into learning curve mistakes that can cost a lot of money or damage your rides beyond repareable state or unsafe states that could kill you.
Look ive been riding and working on bikes for 17 years Ive never owned a car (24/7 365 a year)and Ive always had a bike. Ive done complete rebuilds and custom rebuilds to at least 5 bikes and never taken mine to a shop(wish I had when I first started learning I [email protected] up a lot). I dont want yall to make the same mistakes(wish I still had my FZR 400 I [email protected] it up). Motorcyling and mechanics was not encouraged in my upbringing and my parents were about as mechanically minded as a rock. So I literally started on a much harder learning curve. The motorcycle shops gave me just enough info so Id [email protected] it up to the point Id need them. But I never gave in and went to them. I kept reading service manuals and finally found a few mentors that taught me some of the universal tricks to motorcycle mechanics. Look Im really tired( I work 3rd shift I need sleep but please understand I just want to help)and I think the Honda manual aint that bad(Ive seen a lot of manuals) and it would help give all of us a starting point instead of trying to magically imagine what someone whos using the wrong terminology is talking about. Ill post more later, again sorry all...............................

**hawksonfire** · 07-26-2007, 09:54 AM

By the way MR DUDE so far Ive owned my 90 hawk for about 9 months and done these procedures without a hitch.

first day of ownership---dissassembled bowls on carbs and cleaned jets

--- adjusted valves
changed all fluids(I mean allll)
---synchronized carbs
---adjusted chain
----lubed and adjusted cables
(took me about 2 and a half hours hmm guess thats slow)

One week later my cush drive bushings turned to dust ordered the bushings and did the job in about an hour.

I wanted better clutch response so I replaced the clutch and springs also one hour.

Would have done a lot more trick bits but I have to wait till I can afford it I aint no rich man.....

**DefTrap** · 07-26-2007, 10:30 AM

Bollocks, I was hoping for a lynching.

**hawksonfire** · 07-26-2007, 10:41 AM

Sure seems like a lot of judgement from typewritten word......Hmmmm.....has the internet made us that out of touch with reality????????

**DefTrap** · 07-26-2007, 11:20 AM

Originally Posted by GTfever

Sure seems like a lot of judgement from typewritten word......Hmmmm.....has the internet made us that out of touch with reality????????

Nah, every forum you look at has this sort of thing going on at one time or another. Terribly easy to be misinterpreted.

**Stevenjhow** · 07-26-2007, 12:43 PM

This site is for people who love there Hawk and want to learn about working/cutomizing/modding them and if you have a problem with some of the questions that are asked about mechanics... keep them too your self!

I have got to agree! This site has been more than helpful for me with the questions I have asked, and I haven't ever worked on a bike before my Hawk. I don't have a manual and I haven't run into a problem yet that has required a manual. In my opinion....the knowledge and experiences from the other members of this site are far more valuable than what is written in a book, these guys have had hands on experience that a book cannot explain. Most guys post pics of what they are trying to explain...I know I have when ever someone asks me too. What I'm trying to say is, this forum is almost the same as going to the local motorcycle hangout and finding someone to help you, except the guys at this motorcycle hangout(the forum)are exclusive to our Hawks and can explain what they have done to address the same problems, again, something a book cannot do.

I bet if your posts didn't have so many "!!!!!!!!!" after you telling him to buy a manual, the response may have been different. I know you said sorry to be an a-hole.....well don't, just don't be an a-hole, this forum doesn't need a-holes. That's my 2 cents

**hawksonfire** · 07-26-2007, 12:47 PM

I dont have a problem with the questions it the answers

**motorcycleman** · 07-26-2007, 03:17 PM

I for one am guilty of guessing at the nature of the problem that some people here have had. Mostly I suggest things to look at based on my own past experiences, not just with the hawk but with wrneching in general. I am not an expert but I try to be encouraging and supportive- and if I'm wrong and find out about it on my own I do an edit and fix what I've said- if I'm wrong and someone catches it I hope they correct me. I don't want anyone to do something that doesn't need to be done. I also agree with gtfever that a manual is something that every bike owner should have (and read). And I am envious that he/she doesn't own a car. Thats the way to live! Nuff said.

Summers here (in the northern hemisphere anyway

), get out and ride! (but not on a bike that has known safety issues)

**Swipe** · 07-26-2007, 03:23 PM

Originally Posted by motorcycleman

Summers here (in the northern hemisphere anyway

)

I wouldn't be so bold as to make that statement in public over here in the UK right now, well not at least without your umbrella

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