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    What do we want to say to Toshiaki Kishi?

    I want to write an email to Toshiaki Kishi on behalf of the Forum and the Listserv. What do we want to say?
    1988 "BlackHawk" project
    1989 "RallyHawk" is Chuck's now!
    1988 "The Gray" Tempest Gray Metallic stocker

    I can't tell you how peaceful it is. Shinya Kimura
    People who know ride Hawks. Riot

    #2
    How did you get his e-mail Doug?
    Why not invite him onto the board for a discussion about his design and what he would change if the RC31 was revived?
    It would be important not to be reverential, he strikes me as a humble man, who would be uncomfortable with excessive praise.

    Blade.

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      #3
      Toshiaki is rather proud of the Hawk and he's made several online appearances already (or someone claiming to be him). I think an invite here would do nicely.

      I can't really think of anything I'd like to go over with him that would require several hours, some paper and ink and a couple pots of coffee.
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        #4
        His email was posted on another thread. Yeah, I agree that a simple invite is best...
        1988 "BlackHawk" project
        1989 "RallyHawk" is Chuck's now!
        1988 "The Gray" Tempest Gray Metallic stocker

        I can't tell you how peaceful it is. Shinya Kimura
        People who know ride Hawks. Riot

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          #5
          Doug,

          Did you ever mail him?

          Just curious as to what he had to say if you got through to him.
          ARRH Don't mind me, that's just the scurvy talkin!

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            #6
            dunno, ask him if he likes karaoke or anime. I do
            What was the start of all this?
            When did the cogs of my Hawk begin to turn?
            Perhaps it is impossible to grasp the answer now,
            from deep within the flow of time...

            But, for a certainty, back then,
            I loved it so much, yet hated so many.
            I hurt others and was hurt myself...

            Yet even then, I rode like the wind,
            whilst my laughter echoed
            under cerulean skies...

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              #7
              Ask him the same question everyone else has asked: When will Honda make another Hawk????
              '89 Hawk GT

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                #8
                Something to go against the SV and the Kawi 650.

                I mean come on!
                BIKES: Honda: RC31 Racebike/ CRF 110 Mini Motard, DUCATI: 748
                Former MSF Rider Coach / Trackday Instructor/ Expert Roadracer #116
                "I'd rather ride a slow bike fast than a fast bike slow."

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                  #9
                  I'm sure a few years ago on another forum. a lister was invited to go and see him when he was visiting London. I dont think they actually met but I think the question of the New Hawk was mentioned and I think his answer was they didn't have a New engine being designed to power it. Its only what I thought I'd heard so maybe someone can email him and find out.
                  "Life may begin at 40, but it doesn't get real interesting until about 150."

                  • '88 in Candy Flair Blue + '90 in Italian Red
                  • Ohlins Rear Shock
                  • F2 front wheel
                  • VFR750 rear wheel
                  • Hiperform seat&headers
                  • MSMotorsport Seat Cowl
                  • Steve Lenac Tokico six pot caliper

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                    #10
                    It was Stu Ballard on the UK HawkList who was going to meet up with the chap.

                    Here's an extract from how Stu reported their conversation :-

                    Here is a bit more trivia about how Mr. Kishi wanted to improve the
                    little fella:

                    "I remember he said the swing arm pivot looks concaved because he
                    made it flat and would have prefered that it tucked in a little from front
                    to rear inline with the frame spar or just looked flat- opposite to a Rolls
                    Royce radiator shell where the surfaces are actually a bit concaved so
                    that they look flat. I think he also regrets that the overall styling just
                    looks a bit characterless . . ."
                    >SB. I love the way it looks! He doesn't mention plug removal.

                    "Check some Hawk websites (there are plenty of them) and see what
                    all the loonies in America etc do to these things."
                    >SB. Seems like the men at Honda keep an eye on what we do!

                    >SB. I asked that given the success of the Suzuki SV should Honda
                    release an updated Hawk/Bros. The designer dude said:

                    "We should definitely make a new Hawk but we don't have a suitable
                    engine at the moment ( the Firestorm is called Super Hawk in
                    America, but the VTR lump is really a lump compared to the Hawk
                    engine). There was a test a year or so ago in MO magazine of a bored
                    and tuned Hawk against the SV and the Hawk won!"
                    >SB. 15 years old and still kicking butt! Anyone know what magazine
                    the article was in?
                    '95 ShaftHawk 650P>
                    Front: Bros Mk2 front wheel; Mk1 forks; MetalGear disc; NC30 caliper; cb1 yoke.
                    Breathing: Hacked up and shortened ART tri-can on collector and link pipe from DemonTweeks.
                    Other: RGV bars; DefT dash; modded subframe; modded rearsets; relocated ignition.

                    '91 Bros 650 Mk1>
                    Currently off the road.

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                      #11
                      I'd tell him thanks for designing something I have enjoyed for so long. A bike that has taught me so much. A bike that's reasonably easy to work on. A bike that still makes me happy every single time I ride it.

                      A naked 800-1000 modern twin sure would be nice. I'm thinking a totally modern version of the Norton 850 Interstate. A one piece seat two adults could sit on, 100 honest rwhp with a broad spread of torque, radial mounted brakes, suspension off the latest CBR, 6 speeds, and a center crank bearing so it could be tuned beyond his original expectations. 450 pounds wet minus gas. Sell it for under 11 grand and I'm there.
                      The superhawk was a gas guzzler. The 1050 speed triple has no rear seat to speak of. Buells also have no real rear seat. The 1050 tiger rear seat doesn't look friendly to my wife, and the muffler is right there. The BMW 800 twins are almost there and I like the counterbalance idea.
                      '89 hawk original owner
                      955 Triumph sprint rs
                      ancient 300mxc
                      XR650L

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                        #12
                        So DefTrap where is Stuart now does he still have his bike?
                        "Life may begin at 40, but it doesn't get real interesting until about 150."

                        • '88 in Candy Flair Blue + '90 in Italian Red
                        • Ohlins Rear Shock
                        • F2 front wheel
                        • VFR750 rear wheel
                        • Hiperform seat&headers
                        • MSMotorsport Seat Cowl
                        • Steve Lenac Tokico six pot caliper

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                          #13
                          Ummm.... why not ask him if they can just make us a more powerful engine that would bolt right up?

                          Personally, I wouldn't mind if it was aircooled either. The fins would look great and the radiator could be ditched. (I know what your thinkin- f'in harley guy! )
                          '88 Hawk GT
                          '89 Harley FXSTC
                          2008 Yamaha V-Star 1300 tourer

                          http://www.hawkgtforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=948

                          "...my performance ain't perfect, but its loud, and its fast..." -Widespread Panic

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                            #14
                            Well just had an email from Stuart Ballard who I hope is going to pass on the contact details for another Honda designer in Frankfurt ..watch this space
                            "Life may begin at 40, but it doesn't get real interesting until about 150."

                            • '88 in Candy Flair Blue + '90 in Italian Red
                            • Ohlins Rear Shock
                            • F2 front wheel
                            • VFR750 rear wheel
                            • Hiperform seat&headers
                            • MSMotorsport Seat Cowl
                            • Steve Lenac Tokico six pot caliper

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                              #15
                              Tell him we'd all like to give him a Kish.

                              he's a cult leader.........and we're helpless devotees........this may or may not be a good thing..........



                              (attention antiquarians: power=heat; heat=radiators, so get used to it.)

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                              "It's only getting worse."


                              MY rides: '97 VFR750, '90 Red Hawk, '88 Blue/Black Hawk, '86 RWB VFR700 (3), '86 Yamaha Radian, '90 VTR250, '89 VTR250 (2), '73 CB125, '66 Yamaha YL-1

                              Sold: '86 FJ1200, '92 ZX-7, '90 Radian, '73 CB750, '89 all-white Hawk, '88 blue Hawk, '86 FZ600, '86 Yam Fazer 700 , '89 VTR250, '87 VFR700F2, '86 VFR700F.

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