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    Burnouts, Wheelies, and other fun stuff!!!

    Okay, who knows how to do these (burnouts, that is)? Because I want to learn to do mx-style half-donuts - you know, where you whip the tail around from a stop and go the other direction - and I figure this has to come 1st.

    2ndly - who's gotten their Hawk up on one wheel? I can't power wheelie this thing for sh!t, but then, I don't know what I'm doing. "Start in 1st, drop the throttle, then whack it" isn't working, and I won't try popping the clutch until I've gotten the power wheelies down.
    1988 "BlackHawk" project
    1989 "RallyHawk" is Chuck's now!
    1988 "The Gray" Tempest Gray Metallic stocker

    I can't tell you how peaceful it is. Shinya Kimura
    People who know ride Hawks. Riot

    #2
    Lesson #1 Burnouts

    OOOooooo This should be fun.

    Ok how do I explain....

    Burnouts. Very easy. Hold the front brake, shift into second, hold in the clutch, stand up to get weight off the rear wheel and steady the bike, crack throttle to about 6000 or more and pop the clutch, HOLD THE FRONT BRAKE ON!!!! DO NOT LET GO! You might want to practice holding the brake tight and modulating the throttle. Also you can start in 1st but you reach the rev limiter faster. When you get good you can try to shift through the burnout!

    (you might want to start on a piece of plywood and/or throw some water/beer/soapy water/bleach... under the REAR tire to make it even easier, make sure front and rear tire are on the SAME surface. I had a friend roll onto some plywood and spit it out the rear when doing the burnout because his front tire wasn't on it too)

    After you have done a few.... and you want to make a C or an O you just keep the burnout going and "walk" or shuffle the bike to one side all the way around, Keep the bike upright as you do this.

    That motocross spin around... well you gotta just put one foot down and lean the bike over and kinda hop with it... I wouldn't do that on a street bike.

    Disclaimer----
    I do not condone this behavior, I only know how to do it for umm educational purposes.. thats it... educational yeah!
    BIKES: Honda: RC31 Racebike/ CRF 110 Mini Motard, DUCATI: 748
    Former MSF Rider Coach / Trackday Instructor/ Expert Roadracer #116
    "I'd rather ride a slow bike fast than a fast bike slow."

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      #3
      Lesson #2

      Wheelies

      Now that you have that rear tire all hot and sticky from your burnout the wheelie will be easier.

      Two ways to wheelie, Power and Clutch.

      Power Wheelies
      Rolling in first gear, give the bike throttle, chop it and then bang THE HELL OUT OF IT while giving a slight tug on the bars and getting your butt/weight back. Front should come up, once up it is finding the balance point and modulating your throttle to keep it there. If you are going over backwards chop throttle and hit your REAR brake

      Clutch (I hate these but I am told they are easier and safer)
      While riding down safe stretch of road 2nd or 3rd (try 2nd first)
      Pull in clutch, bring revs up to about 7000 (if that doesn't work go higher)
      hold throttle and pop the clutch it will come up pretty fast so cover your rear brake and modulate the throttle, you can modulate the clutch too if your good.
      Again find balance point (it is farther back then you think) and same rules apply to bring it down.

      I Have only gotten lil power wheelie's out of the Hawk. I could do better.

      My Ducati on the other hand.. oh boy!
      BIKES: Honda: RC31 Racebike/ CRF 110 Mini Motard, DUCATI: 748
      Former MSF Rider Coach / Trackday Instructor/ Expert Roadracer #116
      "I'd rather ride a slow bike fast than a fast bike slow."

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        #4
        Endo's or Stoppies

        By far the MOST important and useful "TricK"

        The stoppie makes you KNOW where the limits of traction on that front tire are. If you learn to do a stoppie you can stop ALOT faster when you need to. (rolling stoppies are another class)

        Stoppies or Endo's
        Rolling along at about 35mph to start on dry level clean pavement.
        In a straight line grip the tank with your legs, relax your arms somewhat and get off the gas and slowly grab a handful of brake, stop as fast as you can without falling over or breaking the front loose.

        Do it again
        and Again!
        and Again!!

        This time do it again but kinda "hip up" the tank, give it a lil hump to unweight the rear, lean a lil forward and give the brake a good initial bite while gradually increasing pressure after that.

        The rear should start to come up lil by lil, with practice you'll have that thing 4 feet in the air!

        If you are coming up too fast or loosing grip in the front, let go of the front brake!

        Las Vegas Extremes sells DVD's on how to do this stuff and they are pretty good.

        GOOD LUCK!
        BIKES: Honda: RC31 Racebike/ CRF 110 Mini Motard, DUCATI: 748
        Former MSF Rider Coach / Trackday Instructor/ Expert Roadracer #116
        "I'd rather ride a slow bike fast than a fast bike slow."

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          #5
          1. Surprised you could power wheelie at all on a bike with estimated 38 hp...

          2. I'm able to brake as hard as possible from about 30 mph and the rear doesn't come up at all... I think my pads may need replacement.
          1989 Hawk, red
          TBR exhaust
          clipons

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            #6
            I think my bike has a lil more than 38 HP but I could be wrong.

            It is not the easiest bike to wheelie but it is possible (I just don't do it often)

            The Endos are more for my Ducati too, much better brakes and forks, I don't know how easy that would be on a stock Hawk.
            BIKES: Honda: RC31 Racebike/ CRF 110 Mini Motard, DUCATI: 748
            Former MSF Rider Coach / Trackday Instructor/ Expert Roadracer #116
            "I'd rather ride a slow bike fast than a fast bike slow."

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              #7
              THANKS, Doc! I'll look into the videos too.

              What kind of Duc do you have? C'mon, show us some pics.
              1988 "BlackHawk" project
              1989 "RallyHawk" is Chuck's now!
              1988 "The Gray" Tempest Gray Metallic stocker

              I can't tell you how peaceful it is. Shinya Kimura
              People who know ride Hawks. Riot

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                #8
                [quote="ekubota"]1. Surprised you could power wheelie at all on a bike with estimated 38 hp...quote]

                That's an estimated 48hp stock. Don't sell us short!
                1988 "BlackHawk" project
                1989 "RallyHawk" is Chuck's now!
                1988 "The Gray" Tempest Gray Metallic stocker

                I can't tell you how peaceful it is. Shinya Kimura
                People who know ride Hawks. Riot

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                  #9
                  I'll put pics in the ride section.
                  BIKES: Honda: RC31 Racebike/ CRF 110 Mini Motard, DUCATI: 748
                  Former MSF Rider Coach / Trackday Instructor/ Expert Roadracer #116
                  "I'd rather ride a slow bike fast than a fast bike slow."

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                    #10
                    Burn out easy! Lean over handle bar hold front brake slip clutch make happy faces!

                    Power wheelie also easy sent motor to Hord with some green !
                    80 hp power wheelie !

                    Ya my 996 1,2,3,4 front off the ground at will!
                    1\2 Liter Duc Eater

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                      #11
                      Must be nice to have a 996!
                      BIKES: Honda: RC31 Racebike/ CRF 110 Mini Motard, DUCATI: 748
                      Former MSF Rider Coach / Trackday Instructor/ Expert Roadracer #116
                      "I'd rather ride a slow bike fast than a fast bike slow."

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                        #12
                        At times. Everone wants to race or ride it! I hate riding it around turning sucks it realy likes to rail.
                        1\2 Liter Duc Eater

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                          #13
                          I was looking at used one.( I would love a 916! just for history sake ) It just didn't seem comfortable sitting on it for a half an hour in the showroom. It was like the ZX-7 I had as far as position. Too "Racer-like" Ya know?

                          I KNOW it would be GREAT on the track but as a streetbike...I'll take my 900ss and mod the heck out of it!

                          Anytime you want to let me take yours for a spin I am game
                          BIKES: Honda: RC31 Racebike/ CRF 110 Mini Motard, DUCATI: 748
                          Former MSF Rider Coach / Trackday Instructor/ Expert Roadracer #116
                          "I'd rather ride a slow bike fast than a fast bike slow."

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                            #14
                            I have tried and tried to wheelie my hawk with no luck. The only way I have been able to ge the front wheel more than a foot off the ground was riding over a sharp hilltop at about 70 mph while on the throttle hard.

                            I am not a newby who does not know how to do wheelies. I have had a GSXR 750, several dirtbikes, several fourwheelers. On most things I can power wheelie and shift gears, or balance it and ride it forever, sitting or standing up. I can even ride a wheelie on my Polaris Trailboss, but can't get the Hawk up. What gives? I have tried power wheelies and clutching it to no avail. Is my bike just a piece of crap or what?

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                              #15
                              Originally Posted by bradrenea
                              I have tried and tried to wheelie my hawk with no luck. The only way I have been able to ge the front wheel more than a foot off the ground was riding over a sharp hilltop at about 70 mph while on the throttle hard.

                              I am not a newby who does not know how to do wheelies. I have had a GSXR 750, several dirtbikes, several fourwheelers. On most things I can power wheelie and shift gears, or balance it and ride it forever, sitting or standing up. I can even ride a wheelie on my Polaris Trailboss, but can't get the Hawk up. What gives? I have tried power wheelies and clutching it to no avail. Is my bike just a piece of crap or what?
                              Well... maybe it is in need of a tune up? Is it stock? Mine is rumored to have the 700 kit and a cam with a supertrapp exhaust and the 900rr rear chock with progressives in the front....
                              Maybe that has something to do with it.
                              BIKES: Honda: RC31 Racebike/ CRF 110 Mini Motard, DUCATI: 748
                              Former MSF Rider Coach / Trackday Instructor/ Expert Roadracer #116
                              "I'd rather ride a slow bike fast than a fast bike slow."

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