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    A can of worms!

    after buying my girfriend a 400 bros and tidying it up for her i got the bug for these great bikes so off i went to fleabay and found myself just what i thought i wanted! a 1989 650 model with the vfr rear wheel converstion and a front end too, it also came with some other nice bits like a full 2 bros exhaust etc!
    after a 3 hour drive and a ferry trip later i arrived and took a 1st look at what id agreed to buy!
    to say the guy was a little over enthusiastic about the condition of his bike was not what i would have suggested! more like he had used the pictures of when he had 1st bought the bike and basically lied about the over all condition of the bike!
    now i could of told him there and then to shove it but i decided to be polite, have a listen to it and make him a more sensible offer which he agreed was fair! seeing as the bike had broken body work, 2 ex track tyres fitted, and basically the worst modifications as you will see with the pics to follow!


    here is his fuel pump/reg,rectifier repositioning mod!






    this is the vfr 750 front end, with a bros yoke(triple tree) as you can see the spindle mark wont line up as the vfr yokes are wider! he had referbed the ''as he called them'' (gold nissan) calipers, but the disks were scrap and the front wheel had bad rim damaged so that was scrap too! so i managed to sell the forks and calipers and actually financed a f2 front end complete!




    now the really bad stuff!
    wanna run a 190 rear tyre? fed up with it rubbing the swing arm? then use an angle grinder! yes this swinger has been butchered!




    one of the mods he was really proud of was his nc30 speedo drive converstion! as the vfr 750 front end didnt have a drive, he had an idea of driving the speedo off the front sprocket! on the side of the gear lever case was a speedo drive from an nc this was bolted onto a spacer he had cast from epoxy mixed with flour ! to which i was informed was driven by a nut welded on the end of the countershaft! take a look at what i found!




    you couldnt remove the sprocket as the weld had spilled over the end of the shaft but after 4 hours and many wheels of grinding with a dremmel i managed to save the shaft! i couldnt work out why he could only get one bolt in the sprocket retainer and tack welded it on? heres why!




    if any one has any idea why you would want to weld(i use the word WELD losely!) something like that on the back of your sprocket please enlighten me!

    I took the bike on because i do actually like playing with spanners! im just stunned on how bad this guys modifications could be and he still rode the thing and it never killed him!
    i have lost count of the number of zip ties ive removed that were used instead of bolts etc!

    anyway thats the story so far, hope its kept you amused for a while and watch this space to see this poor dog of a bike rise out of my workshop as a fully faired road legal track day weapon!


    cheers
    Robs

    #2
    Sounds about like when I bought my Hawk from ebay. The guy described it as perfect shape except for scratches on the seat cowl.
    When I went to pick it up I found a bungee cord holding up the kick stand, dents in the tank, the seat cowl was broken in numerous places, several small parts were missing, the airbox was just sitting between the frame rails, not even attached to the carbs, and there was no air filter in it. I wanted to tell him to shove it, but I took it anyway because I thought it was pretty cheap.

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      #3
      Hey but you guys are rescuing Hawks so it is all worth it!

      Can't wait to get pics of my next project up.
      BIKES: Honda: RC31 Racebike/ NT650 Streetbike, DUCATI: None at the moment.
      Former MSF Rider Coach / Trackday Instructor/ Expert Roadracer #116
      "I'd rather ride a slow bike fast than a fast bike slow."

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        #4
        Sheesh... makes me glad I bought mine new from the dealer!

        Hawkdom needs Saviors like you Rob! Thanks for taking the time and effort to "restore" your Bros.!!
        Mark
        88 HawkGT (original owner)
        99 Concours
        02 VFR800

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          #5
          he was so proud of this mod! ops:





          bless him!


          cheers
          Robs

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            #6
            The guy had ingenuity but man what a half assed nutjob. This makes me glad I was lucky enough to find a reputable seller.

            I could tell I was getting a good deal when the guy was talking obsessively about extremely minor stuff that needed to be fixed, and handed me two boxes full of new parts to replace "dirty" ones on the bike.

            Good luck getting that thing back together. Seems like you've already gotten it well in hand.
            '88 Hawk GT - back in the saddle
            '99 Suzuki GZ250 - the first

            '87 Suzuki GSXR1100/1207cc - traded to get my Hawk back

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              #7
              im looking for a basket case like that right now if anyone hears anything
              1988 & 1991 hawkgt, 2005 rc51

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                #8
                i don't feel so bad about my "rescue" after reading this post
                good luck on your resurrection
                looking for hawk paerts in all the wrong places

                current bikes
                fz1
                rsvr
                both black

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                  #9
                  any one got a spare hawk/bros spindle they can have a measure up for me?

                  i need to know if this VFR750 spindle is the same length etc as a standard one as it looks like buying a new sprocket carrier and cush drive may be a simpler way to go!




                  cheers
                  Robs

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                    #10
                    the latest news on my dog of a bros!


                    this is my favourite mod! he had fitted a longer shocker at some stage and had to modify the side stand so it didnt topple over! look at the quality!


                    ive now got a new to me bros hub and spindle which has been kindly modified by my mate Squirrel for 6 bottles of stella!



                    apparently when you fit a 900 rr shock the top eye is a bit wide so needs machining down?
                    more angle grinder finesse? and yes it is wonky!



                    anyway this is where i am at the mo, sorry for the bad camera phone pics!



                    cheers
                    Robs

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                      #11
                      lol, and i thought MINE was bad when i started...


                      when i first bought my hawk, it was owned by the service manager of the local honda shop.. so while it had some mods, it wasnt butchered..

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                        #12
                        Rob, we know the name of the "Bodger" who sold you that bike. I wonder if he'll show up on this forum?

                        That BROS must be really glad its found a new caring owner
                        "Life may begin at 40, but it doesn't get real interesting until about 150."

                        • '88 in Candy Flair Blue + '90 in Italian Red
                        • Ohlins Rear Shock
                        • F2 front wheel
                        • VFR750 rear wheel
                        • Hiperform seat&headers
                        • MSMotorsport Seat Cowl
                        • Steve Lenac Tokico six pot caliper

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                          #13
                          Originally Posted by JR
                          Rob, we know the name of the "Bodger" who sold you that bike. I wonder if he'll show up on this forum?

                          That BROS must be really glad its found a new caring owner
                          I doubt he will! maybe hes a lurker?

                          I will say you couldnt see him ever taking the trouble to do stuff like this?




                          cheers
                          Robs

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                            #14
                            Rob,
                            not sure you got an answer to your hub question, but I've
                            just checked my original hub and it measure 168mm from
                            the same ref points you used.
                            From what I've read/heard you can use the VFR hub but you
                            either need to continue the thread by finding a specialist
                            machine shop to grind the thread, or the simplest option
                            is to have a spacer made.
                            "Life may begin at 40, but it doesn't get real interesting until about 150."

                            • '88 in Candy Flair Blue + '90 in Italian Red
                            • Ohlins Rear Shock
                            • F2 front wheel
                            • VFR750 rear wheel
                            • Hiperform seat&headers
                            • MSMotorsport Seat Cowl
                            • Steve Lenac Tokico six pot caliper

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                              #15
                              cheers JR, ive junked the vfr spindle and got a bros one. complete with hub! so now chain and sprockets are not a problem! All the machining has been done for 6 bottles of stella, ready for my new 5 spoke wheel which is being newly powder coated by the seller as hes just scratched the paint getting the tyre off!


                              cheers
                              Robs

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