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    Why Hord?

    I know a very popular solution to increased engine performance is to ship your motor off to Hord power however I would like to know two things. One has anyone on these forums ever actually done it and if so what all do you get for thefull Hord treatment? In other words can anyone give me a breakdown on exactly what takes place by the time the engine gets back to you with more power? Cams? Boring? Valves? What kind of machine work is involved?

    #2
    He will do what every you want him to do and to the degree you want done, from mild to wild. I suggest you call him and talk about what exactly you want to do, race or just extra performance?
    Brian - Richland, WA
    1991 Hawk GT
    1997 VFR

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      #3
      You can also look at his website, study the dyne charts and click the links to which items you are questioning. Hord's website is full of information.

      The head work, valve work, camshaft selection (and proper degree setting), transmission options, etc. are plentiful. I really cannot convey in words how much better the simple *Stage 1* heads and build are (67-70hp) than a stock engine with pods, jets, exhaust.

      Many have done some of the work themselves too over the years. There are even build threads and documentation here on the forum (user JB for one). If you have the skills - go for it.

      WW/R
      Life is a journey, not a destination.

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        #4
        What is your aim? More to the point,what do you want the Hawk to do and how much are you looking to spend vs with what are you wanting to compare it?


        We all have pockets of differing depths and different forms of lust in our hearts. A 62-63 hp 697cc Hawk really is a bunch more fun than a stock motored bike but is it actually fast? Not really but you could build it at home in a weekend.

        You can build an 80+hp Hawk but the same money that goes into that motor is going to easily buy 150 hp these days.
        Last edited by joel; 2 Weeks Ago.

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          #5
          This has been discussed a few times in the forum and I remember reading a thread where Hord himself explained the process, including the different options with approximate prices. For the life of me I can't find that post but you may look into these other threads for some info.

          https://www.hawkgtforum.com/forum/ho...ilds#post24464

          https://www.hawkgtforum.com/forum/ho...oject#post2109


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            #6
            Dude..

            J.D. Hord its THE man when it comes to hawk performance. Period. I have ridden a few of his motors and have even taken a spin on what may have been "the" hordpower motor. They are exceptional. There have been people who reported pulling on 600cc i4's RACE BIKES on the straights on track with his power plants in hawks. After riding bills bike with the chicken-hawk motor in it, I can fully vouch, feels like it absolutely could have.

            He knows these motors better than anyone else alive on the planet earth. The man has been there done that and got the t-shirt in just about every aspect of hawk tuning, riding, racing, and development.

            There will never be another J.D. Hord

            There are dudes out there that will try to replicate his work, or dudes will buy the parts he developed and build you a motor out of them, but there is only one way to get an actual Hord motor. Call up J.D. Tell him your goals (you want 90hp race bike? You want a RELIABLE 72hp street bike? You want a motor built to maximize a 650 displacement for some specific class? What do you want?), let him come up a plan/combo. Ship him your motor and carbs, or bike If you need suspension and chassis work, or whatever is needed and wait. There is no real replacement for it. While you are waiting just bask in anticipation (and maybe order some WW stuff while you wait, to continue on the path of hawking excellence)

            I consider myself a pretty fucking capable wrench and i take a LOT of pride in that i do ALL my work myself. I'm not scared to crack open a motor and i LOVE to experiment and stress my "bikebrain" ... And i would still sell my first born to have HordPower in my bike.
            Last edited by 6; 2 Weeks Ago.
            Don't spend money and buy, spend time and learn.

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              #7
              Originally Posted by Xanderj13 View Post
              I know a very popular solution to increased engine performance is to ship your motor off to Hord power however I would like to know two things. One has anyone on these forums ever actually done it and if so what all do you get for thefull Hord treatment? In other words can anyone give me a breakdown on exactly what takes place by the time the engine gets back to you with more power? Cams? Boring? Valves? What kind of machine work is involved?
              How about you, idk, ask Hordpower ?
              Suzondacati Build Thread

              Chain rollers, swing arm chain guides, brake hangers, etc.

              Various parts for sale

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                #8
                I look forward to providing JD an honest review, and I hope he will chime in and provide a review of me as a client as well.

                I have probably spent nearly 5 figures with him on Hawk motors, I also have race engines (for other bikes) from other engine builders, so I can compare and recommend his services without reservation - if you can get him to work on your stuff!

                From a technical standpoint, you want a specialist on the motor you are working on. A lot of research & experimentation goes into improving a motor platform, and someone who has paid the cost to know what works, the tips, and tricks is best. I have not worked with Kiyo Watanabe, but he is maybe the only other option, if he's even still doing it.

                From a service standpoint, JD is a very transparent builder. He tells you what he's gonna do, he tells you what he knows, what he recommends, and most impressively - where/when his knowledge is limited. Among builders I have worked with, he is also reasonably flexible with building to your concept. He communicates well, delivers reasonably on time and his work is beautiful. He can also dial in your tune, so your motor can just be a straight install.

                On a personal standpoint, he's pretty quiet. He mostly looks at me like I might be stupid or rude. That might be because I'm not quiet, or because he thinks I'm stupid or rude. It might just be the way he is. He's cantakerous about shipping expensive motors - you have to seek him out like some kinda Mansfield shaman

                In any case, not to cause a sudden rush, but you should get your builds and orders in if/while you can. Last time I asked him for a motor rebuild (not on one of his motors), he turned me down. He may be moving away from Hawks (at least for full and thorough builds), as other bikes have come along and aint nobody gettin' rich off Hawks.

                Finally, if JD reads this, and does want to do some more vintage Hawk or CBR motor work, I get dibs in line.

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                  #9
                  Kiyo Watanabe also builds Hawk and SuperHawk engines. While I did not have a motor rebuild, he did tuning and suspension work on both my Hawk GT and SuperHawk ... the results were “spot-on. “. Kiyo also has upgrade components, eg. larger capacity carbon—fiber fuel tank.

                  www.kiyowatanabe.com

                  He’s in Los Angeles, CA

                  But ... I have purchased most of my Hawk parts from JD ... fastest shipping ... no complaints!

                  Last edited by jspeed53; 2 Weeks Ago.
                  Bi-Coastal U.S.A.: Los Angeles, CA and Long Island, NY

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                    #10
                    Originally Posted by jspeed53 View Post
                    Kiyo Watanabe also builds Hawk and SuperHawk engines. While I did not have a motor rebuild, he did tuning and suspension work on both my Hawk GT and SuperHawk ... the results were “spot-on. “. Kiyo also has upgrade components, eg. larger capacity carbon—fiber fuel tank.

                    www.kiyowatanabe.com

                    He’s in Los Angeles, CA
                    +1 There are a few respected members on the west coast who highly recommend him as well.


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                      #11
                      Originally Posted by riot View Post
                      In any case, not to cause a sudden rush, but you should get your builds and orders in if/while you can. Last time I asked him for a motor rebuild (not on one of his motors), he turned me down. He may be moving away from Hawks (at least for full and thorough builds), as other bikes have come along and aint nobody gettin' rich off Hawks.
                      The little NT650 becomes more and more a niche cycle every day, and there are fewer and fewer that can or will work on/make parts for/build them. OEM parts/cores are becoming scarce as well. Besides, one can easily make more money with less effort on modern bikes to be direct and honest.

                      I love working with JD - and do so on a professional level as well as am a customer. He shoots straight, gets to the point, and is no nonsense from my perspective. He can also run backyard marathons, climb mountains, and more.

                      I've never met the man face to face, and we rarely talk on the phone. I don't order parts for my bikes from anyone else if I can help it. Suspension setup on the last half dozen were by him, remotely, and they all rocked/spot on with just a little communication exchange.

                      Anyway - Kiyo probably good too, but JD supports us here. I don't know if Kiyo has ever shared knowledge on this forum...but JD does on a regular basis (unless he's out on a tractor, combine, or other).

                      WW/R
                      Life is a journey, not a destination.

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                        #12
                        Originally Posted by wildwhl View Post

                        The little NT650 becomes more and more a niche cycle every day, and there are fewer and fewer that can or will work on/make parts for/build them. OEM parts/cores are becoming scarce as well. Besides, one can easily make more money with less effort on modern bikes to be direct and honest.
                        Can we do WW/R reviews too? 'Cause that stuff is the bomb

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                          #13
                          Originally Posted by riot View Post

                          Can we do WW/R reviews too? 'Cause that stuff is the bomb
                          I'll help you - WW/R - that guy is an asshole, and very hard to motivate to do anything you want him to do. Would recommend 3 stars (or 3 beers on a 6 beer scale). Makes lots of mistakes but usually tries to fix them, or blame his children/dog/teachers/friends/etc.

                          lol

                          WW/R
                          Life is a journey, not a destination.

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                            #14
                            Don't listen to these guys.....they know NOTHING. Go out and do ALL the research yourself.....spend all the money......then come back and tell us how you made out.
                            Lemme see......how can I explain in terms a modern newb can understand.....AHHHHH! Hord is the Hawk equivalent of Google. The Sum of the NomenClature
                            is in his wheelhouse.
                            As example......when Hord got the DuHawki engine....in it's original form......he said it was only making low 70s and thought to himself......"what the hell did they do wrong??"

                            You'll find the completed build's dyno graph on his site.........89.1hp crating 001.JPG
                            .

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                              #15
                              Originally Posted by riot View Post
                              On a personal standpoint, he's pretty quiet. He mostly looks at me like I might be stupid or rude. That might be because I'm not quiet, or because he thinks I'm stupid or rude. It might just be the way he is. He's cantakerous about shipping expensive motors - you have to seek him out like some kinda Mansfield shaman...
                              NoW THAT’s funny!
                              This forum is entirely dedicated to wasting time and money modifying a slow motorcycle. - joel

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