Do You Double Apex?

[SPA]

I have two corners in my daily ride that are long sweeping increasing or decreasing radius corners depending on which way I'm going on the on the road. And I'm constantly playing with the setup and execution of a classic double Apex, and find that I get through the corner much faster and I'm able to roll on throttle much sooner. Than a standard late Apex in these two particular corners.
I really honed my skills at Sears point and Laguna Seca driving SCCA racecars. And being able to pass offline or have alternative lines was always beneficial. Anyway I'm a fanatical do it in a car I'll do it in my van I'll do it on my bike.

What's your MO ?

Multiple choice if desired ...

[hawkati]

Charlie's 1 & 2 at cadwell park. Early apex for 1 gets you drifting out to the left kerb ready to use the entire width of the track over to clip the right kerb - it's a downhill negative camber by then so you need all the track and throttle to give the front a fighting chance.

I do something similar up Stokenchurch Hill on a couple of bends. Er, I can explain everything, officer...
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[6]

All depends on the corner. What's before, what's after. If it's on the street what happens to surprise me while I'm in it.

I'll say this, it's always fun!!! . There was a double apex right hander exit ramp that was by my old house. Had a million lines though it because stupid cars where always getting in the way haha.

That said, at the speed I could/would hit that turn (or any street corner) at there was pretty much always some grip, speed, room left to make adjustments, change line (mostly) or brake.. a brutally fast street corner rip is still not somthing I'm comfortable doing (or really could do) at race speeds. Plus it would take me a year of riding a certain exit ramp or road to equal the amount of passes I would get in a day of hitting a corner on the track. Never mind hitting it every minute and a half or so vs hours or days apart. And knowing there is no sand or debris down. So I'm far more likely to double apex a street corner when that may not be the optimal line. And usually more confident to do the corner that way because of the ability to look ahead and kind of reset.

All of that is no knock on throwing down on the street. That all makes line exploration on the street a lot of fun. Also .makes up a lot of the big differences between a good street racer and good track racer.



Good question spa! That required some thought!

[Zanderk]

Charlie's 1 & 2 at cadwell park. Early apex for 1 gets you drifting out to the left kerb ready to use the entire width of the track over to clip the right kerb - it's a downhill negative camber by then so you need all the track and throttle to give the front a fighting chance.

I do something similar up Stokenchurch Hill on a couple of bends. Er, I can explain everything, officer...
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And those kerbs on the outside at Charlie’s are fucking painful

[Zanderk]

And this is how I know…..Back in the days before tyre warmers and your tyre compound choice was inters or maybe inters…