Tesla Camera Autopilot Involved in a 3rd Motorcycle Fatality of the Summer.

[ParcNHawk]

https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/17/business/tesla-motorcycle-crashes-autopilot/index.html

[bk94si]

They need to stop calling it autopilot. It should be more like driver assist. As smart as computers are now, the human brain is still a whole lot better.

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As smart as computers are now, the human brain is still a whole lot better.

Tell that to my password manager....

But on a serious note, that's fucked up. But I also wonder how many saves it's been involved in vs. how many fatalities.

I'm NO Tesla fan. I find the electric car think suspect in general and I turn off driver aids on anything I can if I'm driving. But listen..

This week Dan and I where at the car wash. Across the street some old dude on oxygen hooked a left and slammed the brakes straight in front of a plumbing truck. Spun them both around into the other lane, totaled both vehicles and even though everyone was fine they where also all slightly injured when we got them out of the cars..

I wonder with driver aids, if old dude would have been able to do that? Wonder if plumber dude would have been able to stop quicker?

That said, life requires risk and nurfing the world does no one any favors... so I'm all for the risk.. IM ALWAYS all for risk over being controlled.

but if what we are weighing here is dead people to autopilot ratio you gotta also include any it may have saved..

[rpcraft]

People won't leave AI alone until it's too late. Autodriving is just the forerunner to skynet taking us out.

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[jspeed53]

Doesn’t recognize motorcyclists? The dam things should be telling the driver what make and model year of the bike

[bones]

Tell that to my password manager....

But on a serious note, that's fucked up. But I also wonder how many saves it's been involved in vs. how many fatalities.

I'm NO Tesla fan. I find the electric car think suspect in general and I turn off driver aids on anything I can if I'm driving. But listen..

This week Dan and I where at the car wash. Across the street some old dude on oxygen hooked a left and slammed the brakes straight in front of a plumbing truck. Spun them both around into the other lane, totaled both vehicles and even though everyone was fine they where also all slightly injured when we got them out of the cars..

I wonder with driver aids, if old dude would have been able to do that? Wonder if plumber dude would have been able to stop quicker?

That said, life requires risk and nurfing the world does no one any favors... so I'm all for the risk.. IM ALWAYS all for risk over being controlled.

but if what we are weighing here is dead people to autopilot ratio you gotta also include any it may have saved..

Life is risk.
You can't idiot proof the world nor should you try.
And I'm willing to bet that if the Tesla system was saving more people than it was killing, these stats would accompany every article written on the subject or at least have been a major press release by Tesla.
I think EVs will be a niche market, better suited for short urban trips.
But the only reason the government is pushing them so hard is all about control.
If you live in a stack and pack apartment complex, where are you going to charge your car?
Most apartments don't have enough parking slots as it is, let alone have a charger for every single slot.

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Life is risk.
You can't idiot proof the world nor should you try.
And I'm willing to bet that if the Tesla system was saving more people than it was killing, these stats would accompany every article written on the subject or at least have been a major press release by Tesla.
I think EVs will be a niche market, better suited for short urban trips.
But the only reason the government is pushing them so hard is all about control.
If you live in a stack and pack apartment complex, where are you going to charge your car?
Most apartments don't have enough parking slots as it is, let alone have a charger for every single slot.

CA, VERY shortly after announcing a ban on gas cars, then issues a notice to not charge your car for a week or two, because the power grid couldn't handle it..... . . .

IMO and not a very educated O, i feel the move to electric is another thing that makes a lot of sense... Till you start looking deeper into it. Then it starts to fall apart.

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CA, VERY shortly after announcing a ban on gas cars, then issues a notice to not charge your car for a week or two, because the power grid couldn't handle it..... . . .

IMO and not a very educated O, i feel the move to electric is another thing that makes a lot of sense... Till you start looking deeper into it. Then it starts to fall apart.

I will have to write a whole treatise on this, it absolutely does make sense, and there is absolutely a huge set of practical reasons that EVs are better for most of what we use cars for. That said, yeah the CA gas car ban is kind of a stunt, either political grandstanding or pandering to EV companies which are mostly CA based. History indicates it won’t stick, but we’ll see.

On what I consider a separate topic, I am pretty unhappy with the absolutely irresponsible Self Driving systems developed by Tesla (and others who have since mostly pulled back). Facts:
1) Deep learning systems can only respond to cases they have been trained for, and will always have a margin of error.
2) We have known (from the Aviation industry) since the 1990s at least, that humans are terrible at monitoring automation.

Basically, once you trust the automation, you stop being attentive, and you are way too slow to regain situational awareness to resolve a problem if it happens. Tesla knows this, all good human-factors people know this, but yet they continue to pretend that somehow the owners and drivers are responsible. Given their current stats of ADAS accidents, if this were rolled out full fleet, it would quickly be a disaster.

Look, I really like the idea of Automation and FSD, but it is probably time to admit it isn’t working on their current technology stack. They probably won’t admit this, because stock price.