Gonna need some parts also known as learning to hot in a corner the hard way

[Maritime]

So my son and his buddy were out yesterday for a ride. Both fairly responsible riders but they were on a road they didn't know well and got caught doi g 50mph in a turn labeled for 20. Hard 90 right hander and they both went wide and into a field. Both ok, my son a bit worse than his buddy. He has some bruises and a small fracture to his pelvis which hurst but is not serious and will heal with some time. Be at least a month before he can ride again from that. So list of what we need so far.

Seat cowl. Ffs we just redid one too.
Clipons they are bent and not sure safe to straighten.
Need to check over forks etc.
other than those I think it's good
I just got back from the wreckers with it.

His buddy's 2008 EX500 every piece of plastic is busted and may have a bent fork as he hit the ditch and flew over the bike. My son stayed on and ended on his side.

Hard way to learn a lesson for sure.

[Captain 80s]

Oooof. Glad they are both "ok". Who was following who? Sounds like somebody maybe got sucked in and target fixated.

If the bars aren't kinked / creased, they can be usually be straightened. I do it quite often in my press with some hard wood v-blocks. It saves a lot of money buying slightly bent stock clip-ons off of ebay for projects. Same thing with the forks.

Anyway, glad it was just a (hard) lesson. Whew.

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So my son and his buddy were out yesterday for a ride. Both fairly responsible riders but they were on a road they didn't know well and got caught doi g 50mph in a turn labeled for 20. Hard 90 right hander and they both went wide and into a field. Both ok, my son a bit worse than his buddy. He has some bruises and a small fracture to his pelvis which hurst but is not serious and will heal with some time. Be at least a month before he can ride again from that. So list of what we need so far.

Seat cowl. Ffs we just redid one too.
Clipons they are bent and not sure safe to straighten.
Need to check over forks etc.
other than those I think it's good
I just got back from the wreckers with it.

His buddy's 2008 EX500 every piece of plastic is busted and may have a bent fork as he hit the ditch and flew over the bike. My son stayed on and ended on his side.

Hard way to learn a lesson for sure.

We have all learned that lesson, some of us learn it over and over and over again. Best remedy for that, track days and race schools...

Hope he mends fast. Tell him we are keeping finger crossed for him.

Believe it or not, I think I have the ex500 parts. I've got a few of those bikes.

I may have the hawk bars too if they are stock. I have to look.

Are they aftermarket clip ons or the stock bars? Aftermarket and then just put a tube in.. they are designed specifically for that reason. The stock ones being steel, are probably safe to straighten, but they're also cheap parts so... (I'd have a long steel tube on that bitch and be in the shop pulling haha)

Glad it could have been worse. I'm about to get my 17 year old on the road on his hawk and I know that phonecall is coming at some point.

[Maritime]

Oooof. Glad they are both "ok". Who was following who? Sounds like somebody maybe got sucked in and target fixated.

If the bars aren't kinked / creased, they can be usually be straightened. I do it quite often in my press with some hard wood v-blocks. It saves a lot of money buying slightly bent stock clip-ons off of ebay for projects. Same thing with the forks.

Anyway, glad it was just a (hard) lesson. Whew.

Cool I was thinking they were alloy, stock Steel I can fix easy. My son was in the back but ended up farther a-field as he was just enjoying the ride and not paying attention to his buddy at all. His buddy said "How did William get in front of me in the field?" That would be physics and speed. They are both new riders as of last year and have slowly been upping their speed and usually ride roads they know well, this road was new and caught them both. Sad thing is I taught both the MSF and both were very thoughtful, relaxed and calm students. Adrenaline finally got them.

[Maritime]

We have all learned that lesson, some of us learn it over and over and over again. Best remedy for that, track days and race schools...

Hope he mends fast. Tell him we are keeping finger crossed for him.

Believe it or not, I think I have the ex500 parts. I've got a few of those bikes.

I may have the hawk bars too if they are stock. I have to look.

Are they aftermarket clip ons or the stock bars? Aftermarket and then just put a tube in.. they are designed specifically for that reason. The stock ones being steel, are probably safe to straighten, but they're also cheap parts so... (I'd have a long steel tube on that bitch and be in the shop pulling haha)

Glad it could have been worse. I'm about to get my 17 year old on the road on his hawk and I know that phonecall is coming at some point.

Thanks. I'll Be in Maine in July if you have EX500 Plastics maybe I can get him a set, He busted the belly, fairing and both sides of the seat cowl. Magoo has stock Hawk bars and if they are steel I can fix no prob. I was worried they were alloy and they would crack if bent back.

[Maritime]

Here are the first pics grabbed after rescuing from the wreckers.

[squirrelman]

sad, a fine machine wrecked by juvenile incompetence.

[Maritime]

sad, a fine machine wrecked by juvenile incompetence.

His wallet will be lighter for sure but he's learned. Spent about an hour going over what he did wrong, what to do next time etc. He's been slowly getting faster but both he and his buddy learned the hard way what too fast is.

[69Falcon]

Glad they are both pretty much okay. Bikes are a lot easier to fix than people. Indiscretions of the youth, it sounds as if they are at least learning from the experience. After all, we learn a lot from our mistakes.

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His wallet will be lighter for sure but he's learned. Spent about an hour going over what he did wrong, what to do next time etc. He's been slowly getting faster but both he and his buddy learned the hard way what too fast is.

Absolute BEST thing you can do would be to get him on a race track if he is interested in going fast at all. I'm sure you don't mean that they are out on the street trying to push the limit, but working on your riding on the street is a slow process full of pitfalls . He will learn more in a day at the race track than a year of "pushing" on the street. From the look of that back tire he is not yet comfortable getting the bike leaned over, which may have saved him here (also may not have... Who knows) and there is no better place to work on that, as well as point fixation which is a factor in most of these types of incidents.

It's expensive and time consuming, but outside of spending a few years riding/racing motocross there is no better way to build up some skills.

[Maritime]

Glad they are both pretty much okay. Bikes are a lot easier to fix than people. Indiscretions of the youth, it sounds as if they are at least learning from the experience. After all, we learn a lot from our mistakes.

Only way to learn is to make mistakes. I made the same but just lesser when first riding. I "Almost" ended up in the ditch a few times and then dialed it back, they sadly got the harder lesson.

[Maritime]

Absolute BEST thing you can do would be to get him on a race track if he is interested in going fast at all. I'm sure you don't mean that they are out on the street trying to push the limit, but working on your riding on the street is a slow process full of pitfalls . He will learn more in a day at the race track than a year of "pushing" on the street. From the look of that back tire he is not yet comfortable getting the bike leaned over, which may have saved him here (also may not have... Who knows) and there is no better place to work on that, as well as point fixation which is a factor in most of these types of incidents.

It's expensive and time consuming, but outside of spending a few years riding/racing motocross there is no better way to build up some skills.

100% agree. I want to do a track day lesson too so I'll see what I can book close to home. Closest tracks are an overnight event around here. He likes to lean but he didn't have the instinct to counter steer harder to overcome the speed keeping the bike upright.

[ricksax]

The stock ones being steel, are probably safe to straighten, but they're also cheap parts so...

The stock bar clamp portion is aluminum, the bar portion is steel. Most of them bend at the aluminum part. Most of the used ones I have bought were actually slightly bent. You can tell if they are straight per the pictures below. I don't know if the aluminum will take cold bending back.

This one is bent:
Hawk Bar Bent MED.jpg

This one is straight.
Hawk Bar Straight MED.jpg

[Maritime]

The stock bar clamp portion is aluminum, the bar portion is steel. Most of them bend at the aluminum part. Most of the used ones I have bought were actually slightly bent. You can tell if they are straight per the pictures below. I don't know if the aluminum will take cold bending back.

This one is bent:
Hawk Bar Bent MED.jpg

This one is straight.
Hawk Bar Straight MED.jpg

thanks

[Captain 80s]

I have some 41mm bars that came on my hawk. I think they are maybe Ducati bars. They have a decent rise, but not as tall as stock. I can take some pics if you want. You can have them for shipping.

Here they are the day I brought my project home.

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