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    #1

    Scotty, we need more power!

    Like I wrote earlier in my introduction thread; I want to give my Hawk more punch.

    today I heard that installing a 816 big bore kit will set me back somewhere around 4000 euro. ouch. I`m a poor student so I don`t have that kind of money. So I was wondering; what is the cheapest method of gaing a few extra NM`s? I don`t really care for BHP. I like torque

    let`s say that I have about 600 to spent. what would be the wisest modification to go with? any ideas?

    I already have K&N pods, Bos Oval exhaust and a weird ignition gizmo for wich I don`t know the english terminology. :P

    also, there is a 696 kit available. you don`t need to bore up the cilinders to install it. just change the sleeves inside the cilinder. how much work would that be?

    I hope some people here have experience in these matters.
    What was the start of all this?
    When did the cogs of my Hawk begin to turn?
    Perhaps it is impossible to grasp the answer now,
    from deep within the flow of time...

    But, for a certainty, back then,
    I loved it so much, yet hated so many.
    I hurt others and was hurt myself...

    Yet even then, I rode like the wind,
    whilst my laughter echoed
    under cerulean skies...
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    #2
    This is the kit I`m talking about btw: http://www.pro-flo.com/pro-flo_wisec..._bore_kits.htm
    What was the start of all this?
    When did the cogs of my Hawk begin to turn?
    Perhaps it is impossible to grasp the answer now,
    from deep within the flow of time...

    But, for a certainty, back then,
    I loved it so much, yet hated so many.
    I hurt others and was hurt myself...

    Yet even then, I rode like the wind,
    whilst my laughter echoed
    under cerulean skies...

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      #3
      816? Where do you see that?

      I just installed the 663 pistons. I had my cylinders bored. If you're not boring the cylinders, what sleeves are you pressing in? The piston kits don't come with sleeves.

      Bill

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        #4
        I think the 814 kit is an AT mod... not one for the stnd hawk...
        The crank will not last that long with forces like that...
        1989 type I - F2 front end - Technoflex rear shock - K&N Filter - Dynojet kit - Braking Discs - Rizoma indicators - Rizoma mirrors - hiperform exhaust... hmmm what's next?!

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          #5
          I have a 696cc kit and i was charged £30 per cylinder for them to be bored out!


          cheers
          Robs

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            #6
            Originally Posted by Pixel375
            I think the 814 kit is an AT mod... not one for the stnd hawk...
            The crank will not last that long with forces like that...
            Word....
            The final measure of any rider's skill is the inverse ratio of his preferred traveling speed to the number of bad scars on his body.
            Hunter S. Thompson

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              #7
              Originally Posted by bill-ns
              816? Where do you see that?

              I just installed the 663 pistons. I had my cylinders bored. If you're not boring the cylinders, what sleeves are you pressing in? The piston kits don't come with sleeves.

              Bill
              My mechanic told me that such a kit excisted. I`m more intrested in the 696 version though.

              Originally Posted by robs321
              I have a 696cc kit and i was charged £30 per cylinder for them to be bored out!


              cheers
              Robs
              SO you do need to bore out you cilinders to install a 696 kit. In that case I`m screwed. that means it`ll be very expensive.

              May I ask you how much you were set back for the lot? or did you do a lot yourself? and how much difference does this kit make compared to a "kit-less" Hawk?
              What was the start of all this?
              When did the cogs of my Hawk begin to turn?
              Perhaps it is impossible to grasp the answer now,
              from deep within the flow of time...

              But, for a certainty, back then,
              I loved it so much, yet hated so many.
              I hurt others and was hurt myself...

              Yet even then, I rode like the wind,
              whilst my laughter echoed
              under cerulean skies...

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                #8
                The boring itself prob won't be very bad... cost me $120CAN for both. The problem is the labour involved to get to that point, if you can't do it yourself.

                Bill

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                  #9
                  Originally Posted by bill-ns
                  The boring itself prob won't be very bad... cost me $120CAN for both. The problem is the labour involved to get to that point, if you can't do it yourself.

                  Bill
                  yeah, that`s whay I thought as well. I`m not acomplete idiot when it comes to taking apart my own bike though. so I might be able to cut the costs a little. the motor needs to be removed form the frame I take it?

                  And what about the gearbox? does that need shimming as well when you bore up the cilinders?
                  What was the start of all this?
                  When did the cogs of my Hawk begin to turn?
                  Perhaps it is impossible to grasp the answer now,
                  from deep within the flow of time...

                  But, for a certainty, back then,
                  I loved it so much, yet hated so many.
                  I hurt others and was hurt myself...

                  Yet even then, I rode like the wind,
                  whilst my laughter echoed
                  under cerulean skies...

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                    #10
                    Hawk 650 NT Twin 663cc 80mm - 65.9mm 11:1 W-K663 $218.95
                    Kit includes, 2 Pistons, Ring Sets, Wrist Pins, Circlips and 1 Head.Gasket & Base Gasket Kit (List Price $279.95)

                    this is the one I`m talking about. It doesn`t say you need to bore up the cilinders. but it doesn`t include sleeves as well.

                    is this all I need, or do I need to buy aditional stuff to get this to work?
                    sorry I`m such a dope when it comes to these things...
                    What was the start of all this?
                    When did the cogs of my Hawk begin to turn?
                    Perhaps it is impossible to grasp the answer now,
                    from deep within the flow of time...

                    But, for a certainty, back then,
                    I loved it so much, yet hated so many.
                    I hurt others and was hurt myself...

                    Yet even then, I rode like the wind,
                    whilst my laughter echoed
                    under cerulean skies...

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                      #11
                      No,you don't need to remove the motor to take off the cylinders.You should be able to find a shop to bore your cylinders out relatively inexpensively- far less than resleeving a motor costs.It takes me most of a day to make a Hawk bigger and have it running again.

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                        #12
                        Originally Posted by joel
                        No,you don't need to remove the motor to take off the cylinders.You should be able to find a shop to bore your cylinders out relatively inexpensively- far less than resleeving a motor costs.It takes me most of a day to make a Hawk bigger and have it running again.
                        That certainly sounds hopefull. And does this 696 bore kit require a modification to the cam shaft? or can you suffice with boring it up, and installing the kit I posted earlier?
                        What was the start of all this?
                        When did the cogs of my Hawk begin to turn?
                        Perhaps it is impossible to grasp the answer now,
                        from deep within the flow of time...

                        But, for a certainty, back then,
                        I loved it so much, yet hated so many.
                        I hurt others and was hurt myself...

                        Yet even then, I rode like the wind,
                        whilst my laughter echoed
                        under cerulean skies...

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                          #13
                          You'll better make use of the bigger displacement with cams, but they will run fine.

                          Bill

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                            #14
                            Originally Posted by bill-ns
                            You'll better make use of the bigger displacement with cams, but they will run fine.

                            Bill
                            hm, ok. So if I can find a shop that can do the bore-up for a reasonable price and install the wiseco (or whatever) kit I should be there right?

                            but what kind of NM gain are we lookng at here? 10nm? 15? or more? I have no idea really just how much you win when you bore it up to 696. (without modifing the camshaft)
                            What was the start of all this?
                            When did the cogs of my Hawk begin to turn?
                            Perhaps it is impossible to grasp the answer now,
                            from deep within the flow of time...

                            But, for a certainty, back then,
                            I loved it so much, yet hated so many.
                            I hurt others and was hurt myself...

                            Yet even then, I rode like the wind,
                            whilst my laughter echoed
                            under cerulean skies...

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                              #15
                              Take a look at the dyno sheets at http://www.hordpower.com/gallery/Dyno-Charts

                              Will give you a rough estimate...

                              Bill

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