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    #31
    Originally Posted by Luis View Post
    Beringer 6 Pot Caliper for the Honda cbf1000 fits without modifications and the stock Honda cbf Caliper will also fit image.jpeg
    I'm looking to increase the front brake ability with stock forks - it appears this "Beringer 6 Pot Caliper" is a bolt-in attachment, and if upgrading to s/s brake lines + EBC rotor, would this be a viable way to up the otherwise stock Hawk's braking ability?

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      #32
      The stock brakes work fine for the street. If you really need to spend money for modifications, get some EBC (NON-HH) pads and a stainless front brake line.

      What ability are you looking to improve? I noticed from your other posts that you're considering other upgrades. GVEs is money better spent than floating rotors and a caliper.

      If you were looking for a support group you're barking up the wrong tree. This place is fulla enablers dude. - Shooter77us

      The bitterness of low quality lingers long after the thrill of a low price has gone. - RacerX450

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        #33
        Originally Posted by ParcNHawk View Post
        The stock brakes work fine for the street. If you really need to spend money for modifications, get some EBC (NON-HH) pads and a stainless front brake line.

        What ability are you looking to improve? I noticed from your other posts that you're considering other upgrades. GVEs is money better spent than floating rotors and a caliper.
        Parc, I've been running EBC HH pads with an EBC Pro Lite rotor, and it seems to work great. Why not HH?

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          #34
          Originally Posted by Netarc View Post

          I'm looking to increase the front brake ability with stock forks - it appears this "Beringer 6 Pot Caliper" is a bolt-in attachment, and if upgrading to s/s brake lines + EBC rotor, would this be a viable way to up the otherwise stock Hawk's braking ability?
          Beringer also makes a 4 pot direct fitment.I have a Duc 749 frontend on mine with a 6 pot.It's overkill.4 pot is plenty.

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            #35
            ricksax
            • HH pads are harder on your rotors (main reason)
            • HH pads have no more (often less) cold bite very important consideration and often results in 'performance brakes' that underperform
            • HH pads are often more expensive not really an important consideration, but it is nice to save money
            • HH pads are too readily available and are often pushed on customers.
            I use EBC organic FA compound. They are asbestos free, have great cold bite, a high coefficient of friction, and temperature resistance that I won't encounter a problem with on the street.

            HH pads are designed not to fade as temperatures increase. You sacrifice things that are important on the street for characteristics that you cannot encounter by even robust street riding.

            FA pads will probably stop shorter than HH until they fade. If your brakes are fading on the street... they are NOT fading on the street.

            I have also used, and been happy with, SBS pads.

            Netarc

            I have read your other posts about upgrades to your Hawk. Why not start a new build thread so people who are offering advice get a better picture for your situation.

            The money you're looking to spend on that brake upgrade include:
            • a $180+ rotor
            • a bespoke caliper bracket
            • the caliper and pads
            • brake line
            And the icing on the cake is that the performance 'increase' might not even be there if you've added weight and rotational mass and have a temperature threshold to overcome.

            If you're not liking spending $$$ money on suspension, spending slightly less $$ on braking isn't a better decision. I bet that a better sorted spring/GVE combo on stock brakes will perform better stopping on real roads than a sixpot system on stock forks.

            If you were looking for a support group you're barking up the wrong tree. This place is fulla enablers dude. - Shooter77us

            The bitterness of low quality lingers long after the thrill of a low price has gone. - RacerX450

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              #36
              HH SBS love them.

              The secret in all brake pads performance is the bedding from the pad to the rotor.

              New rotors and pads are the easiest to get right.

              But I'd found a well hidden EBC HH pad bedding
              document most here have never seen.

              also some / most pads season your disk and when switching type or brand, its recommended to remove that residue / clean the disks.
              yabadabadofailure-e1439455802106-640x360.jpg

              New Pro light and EBC HH on Linda's Hawk and I kid you not, EBC says its recommended to pull the pads after the first few miles. Keeping them organized by location to remove the tiny metal splinters from the rotor out of the new pads face.

              Iphone 336.JPG

              A pair of suture tweezers is the one. But do not dig into the pad to remove the metal splinters the rotor sheds. Now they say it's not really necessary but the pads bed up faster without the disk splinters in the pads.

              Thats not all ... time to bed them in and the instructions say to brake from IIRC around 80mph down to about 30mph Tens of times like 50 or something and Linda would never get them bedded here on Kauai just riding around.

              Ok medium braking pressure on the new pads not soft not hard just steady and firm.

              But can't do them in succession because they should cool before the next bedding run.

              Dont get them Hot or you can glaze the pads and rotors or both.

              So i went up and down s nice lonely country road to do the bedding procedure to the letter

              And they were titty deluxe. And as a racecar driver, I'm a brake snob. If you have fantastic breaks you can take em deep and out brake them.

              Sears point T-4 - T-7 & -T11 you were my bitch. Famous for it.

              Anyway we had to bleed the calipers every time after a session because we can and do often boil the motul. We had a driver adjustability
              for our brake bias front/rear.

              But I degress.... soooo many people have glazed pads or rotors from improper bedding and over heating the fuck out of new pads. And dont even know it.

              OR... put them on and putt around soft braking around town and they slowly glaze the rider never noticed them decreasing over time.

              So just because you have plenty of meat on your pads doesn't necessarily mean that they are " Good Pads " usually the reason they have so much friction material is they aren't wearing as designed.

              The face glazed and they don't work worth a shit which makes you put more pressure on them to stop, while your glazed pads have super heated and now scorching the disk with the end result often being a warped rotor. Or glazed.

              Most racing we run 2- 3 laps at 75% or so not overheating them let them cool off some in between.

              custom six piston brakes.JPG

              But I degress ...

              My Bandits both mine and Linda's came with EBC organic pads that were sooooo glazed they were laughably. But some people think that's a normal amount of brake preformance.

              Not even close ... until you've felt good brakes you only know as good as you've ridden.

              Now different companies may tell you different procedures or not even have one they recommend but putting on new pads and ridding around town or slab you're just not going to seat up properly especially new pads used rotor.

              Oh BTY I personally don't know anyone who has done that procedure.

              Just put them on and ride ...

              Enough out of me.

              custom six piston brakes.JPG
              Attached Files
              Last edited by SPA; 11-23-2019, 03:23 PM.
              "Hawk Porn" http://picasaweb.google.com/11124379...eat=directlink 1990 NT650-Penske 8981, Race-tech Springs & Gold Valves, Steve Lenac six-piston caliper & EBC rotor,SS Brake lines Ft / Rear lines through SSA ,VFR brake lever, F2 front wheel, F-120/70 R-160/60 Dunlop Roadsmart, Full-Supertrapp Exhaust, Stage 1 Jet kit, K&N Filter, Corbin Seat, Pro-Tec Clip-On's/ Past Rides...1986 VFR700F2 Interceptor / 1979 Yamaha Rd400 Daytona Special

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                #37
                Originally Posted by Netarc View Post

                I'm looking to increase the front brake ability with stock forks - it appears this "Beringer 6 Pot Caliper" is a bolt-in attachment, and if upgrading to s/s brake lines + EBC rotor, would this be a viable way to up the otherwise stock Hawk's braking ability?
                Thats not the beringer caliper, thats the stock caliper showed on the picture. The beringer looks like this...

                20180407_175328.jpg

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                  #38
                  Originally Posted by Netarc View Post

                  I'm looking to increase the front brake ability with stock forks - it appears this "Beringer 6 Pot Caliper" is a bolt-in attachment, and if upgrading to s/s brake lines + EBC rotor, would this be a viable way to up the otherwise stock Hawk's braking ability?
                  The Hawk caliper is floating the disk not. When you change to a non floating caliper you need a floating disk.
                  "Hawk Porn" http://picasaweb.google.com/11124379...eat=directlink 1990 NT650-Penske 8981, Race-tech Springs & Gold Valves, Steve Lenac six-piston caliper & EBC rotor,SS Brake lines Ft / Rear lines through SSA ,VFR brake lever, F2 front wheel, F-120/70 R-160/60 Dunlop Roadsmart, Full-Supertrapp Exhaust, Stage 1 Jet kit, K&N Filter, Corbin Seat, Pro-Tec Clip-On's/ Past Rides...1986 VFR700F2 Interceptor / 1979 Yamaha Rd400 Daytona Special

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                    #39
                    What a timely resurrection of this thread. First a +1 on organics. I absolutely loved the galfer greens, but they don't make them anymore. And unfortunately, I got sent the wrong galfer pads that I just ordered, so ended up picking up some EBC HH yesterday. And...
                    Originally Posted by SPA View Post

                    The secret in all brake pads performance is the bedding from the pad to the rotor...

                    Thats not all ... time to bed them in and the instructions say to brake from IIRC around 80mph down to about 30mph Tens of times like 50 or something...

                    But can't do them in succession because they should cool before the next bedding run.

                    Dont get them Hot or you can glaze the pads and rotors or both.
                    I glazed them, grrrr. I think I was braking in too rapid succession, not giving them enough time to cool between hard stops. Grrrrrrr

                    sears

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                      #40
                      Bummer ... probably my fault for not posting that sooner. sorry I'll try not to let it happen again.
                      "Hawk Porn" http://picasaweb.google.com/11124379...eat=directlink 1990 NT650-Penske 8981, Race-tech Springs & Gold Valves, Steve Lenac six-piston caliper & EBC rotor,SS Brake lines Ft / Rear lines through SSA ,VFR brake lever, F2 front wheel, F-120/70 R-160/60 Dunlop Roadsmart, Full-Supertrapp Exhaust, Stage 1 Jet kit, K&N Filter, Corbin Seat, Pro-Tec Clip-On's/ Past Rides...1986 VFR700F2 Interceptor / 1979 Yamaha Rd400 Daytona Special

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                        #41
                        Nah, I felt like I was bedding them they way I always do, but in hindsight, I may have been a little overzealous. Not the end of the world, I just finished sanding away most of the glaze, time to do it again, but at a more leisurely rate.
                        sears

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                          #42
                          The best pads I've ever felt in both stopping abilities and modulation were some Works - HRC pads on danny's C - Hawk. They didn't work cold, nor the track compound front tire. But warm them up, and you start thinking about thank you letters to those responsible for those magical bits. And to Danny for gratuitously allowing me to ride her.
                          Last edited by SPA; 11-23-2019, 11:16 PM.
                          "Hawk Porn" http://picasaweb.google.com/11124379...eat=directlink 1990 NT650-Penske 8981, Race-tech Springs & Gold Valves, Steve Lenac six-piston caliper & EBC rotor,SS Brake lines Ft / Rear lines through SSA ,VFR brake lever, F2 front wheel, F-120/70 R-160/60 Dunlop Roadsmart, Full-Supertrapp Exhaust, Stage 1 Jet kit, K&N Filter, Corbin Seat, Pro-Tec Clip-On's/ Past Rides...1986 VFR700F2 Interceptor / 1979 Yamaha Rd400 Daytona Special

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                            #43
                            Smooth is fast ...
                            Fast is slow ....
                            Grasshopper
                            "Hawk Porn" http://picasaweb.google.com/11124379...eat=directlink 1990 NT650-Penske 8981, Race-tech Springs & Gold Valves, Steve Lenac six-piston caliper & EBC rotor,SS Brake lines Ft / Rear lines through SSA ,VFR brake lever, F2 front wheel, F-120/70 R-160/60 Dunlop Roadsmart, Full-Supertrapp Exhaust, Stage 1 Jet kit, K&N Filter, Corbin Seat, Pro-Tec Clip-On's/ Past Rides...1986 VFR700F2 Interceptor / 1979 Yamaha Rd400 Daytona Special

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                              #44
                              Were those the old school compound, with now forbidden elements? I vaguely remember someone had a stockpile of forbidden pads.
                              sears

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                                #45
                                Back in early '70s I worked in a Texaco station and we /I used to arc New asbestos brake shoes to freshly turned drums. No mask ..
                                "Hawk Porn" http://picasaweb.google.com/11124379...eat=directlink 1990 NT650-Penske 8981, Race-tech Springs & Gold Valves, Steve Lenac six-piston caliper & EBC rotor,SS Brake lines Ft / Rear lines through SSA ,VFR brake lever, F2 front wheel, F-120/70 R-160/60 Dunlop Roadsmart, Full-Supertrapp Exhaust, Stage 1 Jet kit, K&N Filter, Corbin Seat, Pro-Tec Clip-On's/ Past Rides...1986 VFR700F2 Interceptor / 1979 Yamaha Rd400 Daytona Special

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