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**SMF** · 09-19-2007, 09:38 AM

get racetech emulators. if you dont already have them they'll make a world of difference.

if you really want to swap forks:

f2 forks literally bolt on (slide them into your existing triples). you get dual disks, but not a big change in the quality of suspension. you'll still need emulators. and the speedo will still work.

most newer honda sportbike forks will work if you get the complete front end (triples etc)... f4, f4i, 600rr, new 1000rr, 929, rc51 sp-1... the list goes on. needless to say you'll have a substantially better set of forks and much better braking, however you'll lose the stock speedo hookup (may/may not be important to you).

**drinmotoracer** · 09-19-2007, 02:01 PM

I feel for you as I am a graduate/professional student myself:

My opinion is the F2 front end is the cheapest and simplest thing to install... Good brakes, and if you get the 1994 forks, they have preload adjusters. I thought they had cartridges in them already... Dual brakes (add the SS lines and you have a powerful brake). Get to keep the speedo, can get better tire selections with a F2 rim (saves $$$ b/c you can always get takeoffs cheap!), etc.
If I had more money (maybe another $100 extra), I would go for the entire F4i end. I have seen some in Cali go for $400 -500 for EVERYTHING you need. However, I'm not sure what the availability is in Holland. I can personally vouch that the F4i front end is SUPER nice. I used to ride an F4i and it transformed my riding into a much higher level. I think the front suspension is good for stock.... easily can be used on the track (many people do ) as they are FULLY adjustable. However, I'm not sure if these excellent qualities transfer to the hawk when you put it on

**drinmotoracer** · 09-19-2007, 02:09 PM

Yeah the 94 F2 forks DO have cartridges in them so they are probably much better than stock forks, see article from hawkgt.com/kb:

A common modification is to fit the complete front end from a CBR600F2/F3. Once you have the parts, fitting one is a simple bolt-on operation, as many of the parts are similar (even identical) between the two bikes. This gives you very good dual-disc brakes; a 3.5-inch front wheel; and, if you use a '94 or later fork, an excellent cartridge fork. This is a wonderful modification to make, as the brakes are excellent (far better than the Hawk units) and modern radial tires will transform the bike. The damping rates on the '91-'93 (pre-cartridge) forks are the same as those on the stock Hawk forks.

The parts you need to make the swap are the complete fork tube/slider assemblies; the complete braking system, including the master cylinder (actually, the Hawk master cylinder will work, and gives you a right-hand mirror mount) and rotors; the front wheel; and the right-hand wheel spacer. The Hawk triple clamps, axle, speedo drive, handlebars, controls, etc, may be retained, although if you use the Hawk bars instead of the F2 bars, you'll need to make up some custom brake lines, as the F2 lines are too short. Indeed, you'll want to keep the stock Hawk triple clamps, since they provide a place to mount the instruments.

Note that you if you fit an F3 fork, you'll lose the speedometer. The F3 has an electric speedo driven off the countershaft. The Hawk speedo drive won't fit on the F3 fork, as the F3 wheel's hub is too wide (and doesn't have a fitting for the speedo drive, anyway). For a streetbike, a '94 F2 fork is a much better bet.

btw, Race Tech emulators for the Hawk drop in to the '91-'93 F2 forks, and Hawk damper rods and springs will fit in there, as well. Near as I can tell, the only difference between the Hawk and the early F2 forks are caliper mounting lugs on the sliders. [Thx James Mont.]

**NT400** · 09-19-2007, 02:54 PM

I 've been currently looking for a set of used Bros forks . I gave some thought about fitting an F2 front end . Which kind gentleman of you can provide me with a cheap complete F2 front end and what do you mean in terms of "cheap " Because in yards here in Athens only for BROS uper and lowers yoks they ask for 250 euros more than 300 dollars that is . And that excludes break caliper rim etc . I suppose I'll have to sell the bike just buy an F3 front system

**thepathlesstaken** · 09-19-2007, 06:06 PM

Originally Posted by NT400

I 've been currently looking for a set of used Bros forks . I gave some thought about fitting an F2 front end . Which kind gentleman of you can provide me with a cheap complete F2 front end and what do you mean in terms of "cheap " Because in yards here in Athens only for BROS uper and lowers yoks they ask for 250 euros more than 300 dollars that is . And that excludes break caliper rim etc . I suppose I'll have to sell the bike just buy an F3 front system

A pair of 94 F2 forks just sold on Ebay a less than a week ago for like $60.00.

Shipping those to Greece would probably run a bit under $100.00 as 20 pounds to Greece via USPS is $85.00.

My suggestion is to find someone to trust here to buy them locally and then ship them out to you.

**Dash** · 09-20-2007, 03:36 AM

So, after absorbing all this knowledge it`s safe to say that the `94 F2 front end is the best way to go.

But you can`t fit the stock Hawk wheel without having to make your own spacers right? also, can you still use the stock break fluid thingie that sits on the bars when you mount dual caliper brakes? (I have no idea what it`s called, sorry

)

and I just realised that I`ll probably need to make 2 steel braking lines since I have a SB bar and the article says the F2 lines are too short.

**Dash** · 09-20-2007, 04:35 AM

edit: I`m having a hard time noticing the difference between 1994 and F2 instead 1992 and F4

:P

**jaysun0ne** · 09-20-2007, 06:48 AM

Originally Posted by Dash

edit: I`m having a hard time noticing the difference between 1994 and F2 instead 1992 and F4

:P

92 vs 94 f2's: the inturnals differ, 94 has more adjustments
there was just a thread about this not to long ago that had pictures to show the difference

f2 vs f3-f4: the left fork on the f2 has a little nub sticking out to stop the speedo gear from spining around the axle. the f3-f4 forks do not have this little nub.

**drinmotoracer** · 09-20-2007, 12:01 PM

Originally Posted by Dash

So, after absorbing all this knowledge it`s safe to say that the `94 F2 front end is the best way to go.

But you can`t fit the stock Hawk wheel without having to make your own spacers right? also, can you still use the stock break fluid thingie that sits on the bars when you mount dual caliper brakes? (I have no idea what it`s called, sorry

)

and I just realised that I`ll probably need to make 2 steel braking lines since I have a SB bar and the article says the F2 lines are too short.

Hey,
You can use the stock hawk wheel I believe with F2 forks... I used the F2 wheel with stock hawk forks with the F2 spacer, so I'm thinking you can use the F2 forks with the stock wheel and stock spacer??? You can also use the stock brake fluid thingie (master cylinder) with F2 calipers. You can essentially use any master cylinder you want actually...

**thepathlesstaken** · 09-20-2007, 12:45 PM

Running the stock wheel on an F2 front end does not allow to run 120 width tires which in my mind is a huge drawback.

**NT400** · 09-20-2007, 02:45 PM

Originally Posted by thepathlesstaken

Originally Posted by NT400

I 've been currently looking for a set of used Bros forks . I gave some thought about fitting an F2 front end . Which kind gentleman of you can provide me with a cheap complete F2 front end and what do you mean in terms of "cheap " Because in yards here in Athens only for BROS uper and lowers yoks they ask for 250 euros more than 300 dollars that is . And that excludes break caliper rim etc . I suppose I'll have to sell the bike just buy an F3 front system

A pair of 94 F2 forks just sold on Ebay a less than a week ago for like $60.00.

Shipping those to Greece would probably run a bit under $100.00 as 20 pounds to Greece via USPS is $85.00.

My suggestion is to find someone to trust here to buy them locally and then ship them out to you.

Disc rotors ??? Rim ??? Break calipers ??? Metal hoses for the break master cylinder later ??? Add it up and ??? A used break disc costs for the bros about 100 euros ... 140 dollars

**thepathlesstaken** · 09-20-2007, 02:56 PM

Yeah but you were just talking about the cost of forks alone.

Forks, calipers, SS brake line (do it yourself) and buy a F2 spacer for the Hawk wheel probably won't cost over $120.00 here in the states.

Add shipping $100.00 and your around $225 and can add the F2 wheel later for a better overall wheel.

I recently paid $250.00 for a complete 1994 F2 setup (wheel, speedo, calipers, rotors, SS brake line, forks, and fender).

**drinmotoracer** · 09-20-2007, 03:12 PM

I bought my F2 94 front end in pieces, but I think it was somewhere around $280 for everything after shipping (got the rim locally w/ a tire on it).

**Dash** · 09-20-2007, 03:21 PM

man, that`s a bit more than what I hoped for. and f2 front ends are hard to come by I`ve noticed

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