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    "nutrients"

    Don't make your dog food.. buy dog food, there are nutrients in there the dogs need.

    Fuck off...

    I want to make Deets food. We have been making deets food for two + years, kibble is just not something I'm down with. My new vet doesn't like that idea. He wants me to use Purina something or other..

    Did I mention, fuck off?

    It has electrolytes that plant's crave (apologies of you don't get the reference)

    What they can't tell me is what nutrients? Is there some magic thing in Purina that I can't buy in real food? Did dogs in the wild have really good chemical processing facilities?

    As of now we go back and fourth between two main foods..

    ​​​​Beef/calf liver, chicken liver/hearts, eggs, and spinach fried up.. And we do a "mash" that's made of sweet potato, chicken/liver/ground beef/steak/pork (whatever meat we get), pees, spinach, carrots and whatever else we add. It's actually really good, some days I'll eat it too. I'm not going to lie. We make a huge batch and freeze two cup portions then microwave them for him at dinner when we don't cook him the other dinner.

    Apparently there are not enough nutrients in this food... And he needs kibble, it's what plant's crave.

    Anyone been here and done the research? I've looked on line, lots of info on choosing a dog food, not much on making your own, especially from a nutritional standpoint and trusted source.


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    FWIW most Purina is carb -loaded garbage.
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      #3
      But but but... where is your dog going to get his daily dose of melamine?
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        #4
        My wife buys chicken breasts, slices them thin and makes jerky with a dehydrator. Chicken is one word our dogs know very well! And, yes, it tastes pretty good!

        They also love sweet potato and carrots.
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          #5
          I'm not sure there is any Purina dog food I would feed my dogs.
          And 'nutrients' don't mean squat if your dog can't actually digest or use them.
          You could send an old leather shoe to a lab for analysis and it would come back with all sorts of stuff like protein in it but that doesn't mean your dog could actually digest it.
          Cooking for your dog is a good idea if you can put the time and money into it.
          One thing to look for to tell if your dog is eating well is to check out their poop.
          If it's nice and solid and not like soft serve ice cream you're doing well.

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            #6
            Originally Posted by bones View Post
            I'm not sure there is any Purina dog food I would feed my dogs.
            And 'nutrients' don't mean squat if your dog can't actually digest or use them.
            You could send an old leather shoe to a lab for analysis and it would come back with all sorts of stuff like protein in it but that doesn't mean your dog could actually digest it.
            Cooking for your dog is a good idea if you can put the time and money into it.
            One thing to look for to tell if your dog is eating well is to check out their poop.
            If it's nice and solid and not like soft serve ice cream you're doing well.
            I'm a bit if a poop nut . I inspect his poop twice every time I'm around when he does it. Once when it comes out to see how hit stomach is doing, again 5 min later to check for worms.

            Kristen though I was nuts till the first time we caught worms.


            I just want to know what nutrients... And what he can process well. We made his dinner for the week last night. Sweet potatoe, chicken, spinach, carrot broccoli, quantities in that order.

            I'll grab him some chicken liver and hearts today to fry up and throw in there a few nights this week.

            This whole "nutrients" thing is like all these "detoxifying" drinks or shampoos... Exactly why toxins are you removing? Why don't I want them, and how are you getting them out of there?

            Seems like buzz word bullshit to me without the details..
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              #7
              Mr. 6 - It sounds like you’re on the right path ... if the dog strains to go or shoots out a stream, its a problem ... if the dog poops frequently and they are really big, its a problem. If the dog is plagued with skin and hair issues, joint pain, smells bad, easily gets infections, its a diet problem.

              I suggest avoiding cooking anything as that is the first and most common way nutrients are robbed.

              Vets are encouraged to push Purina for incentives. (Its the same way pharmaceutical firms get doctors to push certain drugs.) Unfortunately American Kennel Club lets Purina sponsor dog shows. Their products are made from rendered road kill, downers and diseased cattle/diary animals, and euthanized pets from animal shelters - all tossed into cooking vats ( flea collars and all) at high temperatures. The mush at the bottom of these vats are the bones, listed as “bone meal” has absolutely no nutritional value. Think of kibble type dog food as sawdust with sugar and a couple of vitamins tossed in. A dog will eat kibble cause he’s hungry and it doesn’t taste too bad. Then it will drink alot of water because of the salts. Later, lots of poop (reshaped sawdust). The dog is living on the sugars and the “vitamins” content of the dry kibble. The upshot? CANCER! Its what is killing most pets these days.

              I strongly suggest feeding RAW ingredients. Once a month, using a small commercial meat grinder, we toss chicken, pork and beef with some vegetables into a kind of burger mix. Everything goes in the grinder ... bones, cartilage, skin ... not just meat ... livers, kidneys, hearts, etc. Then its all thoroughly mixed and portioned into large ziplock bags and frozen. While it takes a bit of effort, this all COSTS LESS THAN COMMERCIAL store bought dog nuggets. Although we have champion pure bred Rottweiler’s, we would do this for any pet. Our dogs are lean, healthy, devoid of skin/hair problems and live long, active lives.

              Andy, keep up the pursuit of nutritional fulfillment ... the results can be amazing!
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                #8
                This site seems to be helpful in formulating recipes and assessing for nutritional content: https://secure.balanceit.com/ez/?rotator=NewEz
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                  Originally Posted by 6 View Post

                  I'm a bit if a poop nut . I inspect his poop twice every time I'm around when he does it. Once when it comes out to see how hit stomach is doing, again 5 min later to check for worms.

                  Kristen though I was nuts till the first time we caught worms.


                  I just want to know what nutrients... And what he can process well. We made his dinner for the week last night. Sweet potatoe, chicken, spinach, carrot broccoli, quantities in that order.

                  I'll grab him some chicken liver and hearts today to fry up and throw in there a few nights this week.

                  This whole "nutrients" thing is like all these "detoxifying" drinks or shampoos... Exactly why toxins are you removing? Why don't I want them, and how are you getting them out of there?

                  Seems like buzz word bullshit to me without the details..
                  Dogs do great eating the organs of other animals. It's what they eat in the wild first, then they go for the muscle tissue.
                  And adding in some veggies and certain fruits is good as wild dogs/wolves forage on plants and whatnot as well.

                  There are lots of websites out there that have dog food recipes that aren't really all that hard to make if you have the time and space to freeze it until you're ready to serve.

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                    #10
                    Originally Posted by jspeed53 View Post
                    Mr. 6 - It sounds like you’re on the right path ... if the dog strains to go or shoots out a stream, its a problem ... if the dog poops frequently and they are really big, its a problem. If the dog is plagued with skin and hair issues, joint pain, smells bad, easily gets infections, its a diet problem.

                    I suggest avoiding cooking anything as that is the first and most common way nutrients are robbed.

                    Vets are encouraged to push Purina for incentives. (Its the same way pharmaceutical firms get doctors to push certain drugs.) Unfortunately American Kennel Club lets Purina sponsor dog shows. Their products are made from rendered road kill, downers and diseased cattle/diary animals, and euthanized pets from animal shelters - all tossed into cooking vats ( flea collars and all) at high temperatures. The mush at the bottom of these vats are the bones, listed as “bone meal” has absolutely no nutritional value. Think of kibble type dog food as sawdust with sugar and a couple of vitamins tossed in. A dog will eat kibble cause he’s hungry and it doesn’t taste too bad. Then it will drink alot of water because of the salts. Later, lots of poop (reshaped sawdust). The dog is living on the sugars and the “vitamins” content of the dry kibble. The upshot? CANCER! Its what is killing most pets these days.

                    I strongly suggest feeding RAW ingredients. Once a month, using a small commercial meat grinder, we toss chicken, pork and beef with some vegetables into a kind of burger mix. Everything goes in the grinder ... bones, cartilage, skin ... not just meat ... livers, kidneys, hearts, etc. Then its all thoroughly mixed and portioned into large ziplock bags and frozen. While it takes a bit of effort, this all COSTS LESS THAN COMMERCIAL store bought dog nuggets. Although we have champion pure bred Rottweiler’s, we would do this for any pet. Our dogs are lean, healthy, devoid of skin/hair problems and live long, active lives.

                    Andy, keep up the pursuit of nutritional fulfillment ... the results can be amazing!

                    Funny, that's about what I would have guessed for kibble. It just seems un natural. I wouldn't want to eat it. That's for sure..


                    I've tried feeding him raw. He won't eat it. He needs it way above room temperature before he will go at it. Not quite well done, but deff cooked. We kind of do the same. We make as big of a batch as our pots and pans will allow then freeze it in two cup portions.

                    Do you do anything besides just the meat when you server them? Why the bone?

                    And ya I agree with you on cost. It's cheap. Deff in the same ballpark of dog food. We are hovering on about $10 per batch and a week or week and a half from it.
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                      #11
                      Originally Posted by jspeed53 View Post
                      I strongly suggest feeding RAW ingredients. Once a month, using a small commercial meat grinder, we toss chicken, pork and beef with some vegetables into a kind of burger mix. Everything goes in the grinder ... bones, cartilage, skin ... not just meat ... livers, kidneys, hearts, etc. Then its all thoroughly mixed and portioned into large ziplock bags and frozen. While it takes a bit of effort, this all COSTS LESS THAN COMMERCIAL store bought dog nuggets. Although we have champion pure bred Rottweiler’s, we would do this for any pet. Our dogs are lean, healthy, devoid of skin/hair problems and live long, active lives.
                      Can you give me a rough recipe? How much vegi to meat, chicken to beef, what type of beef, etc..

                      We can't make as big of a batch as you. But I'd like to try out your tactics..
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                        #12
                        The only "nutrients" thing I know about pets is - cats need taurine to survive.

                        Dogs on the other hand ... well, there's a reason they call them dogs.
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                          filedata/fetch?id=941162&d=1622684117&type=thumb Here is a chart that provides everything you need.
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                            #14
                            Originally Posted by jspeed53 View Post
                            filedata/fetch?id=941162&d=1622684117&type=thumb Here is a chart that provides everything you need.
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                              #15
                              Originally Posted by frinesi2 View Post
                              The only "nutrients" thing I know about pets is - cats need taurine to survive.

                              Dogs on the other hand ... well, there's a reason they call them dogs.
                              I heard cats do really well on a vegan diet.
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