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    Newbie guide to the track...

    hey, anyone know where i can find a newbie guide for racing?

    id like to make sure i keep my bike "track legal" as im modding it, and id like to know the little details things.. like the dots.. the small letter by the numbers, ect..

    i plan to eventually take my hawk on a couple trackdays.. but mostly shes a streetbike.

    #2
    i could be wrong but i think it all depends on where you go and who organizes the event
    1988 & 1991 hawkgt, 2005 rc51

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      #3
      Originally Posted by jaysun0ne
      i could be wrong but i think it all depends on where you go and who organizes the event
      is there no general sanctioning body, like the NHRA, IHRA, SCCA, etc...??

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        #4
        ya im not sure i could beifit from the answer to this question

        i also would like to know what needs to be safty wired and what gauge wire to use and will the track let you run normal coolant or do you need the race type (cant remember whats its called looks pink instead of green or orange)


        but i guess your general question should cover that stuff
        1988 & 1991 hawkgt, 2005 rc51

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          #5
          I can't beleive I am answering this stuff...

          2006 CCS Rulebook.
          http://www.lrrsracing.com/2006/2006_rulebook.pdf


          Trackday Bike prep
          http://www.tonystrackdays.com/bikeprep.cfm

          http://marrc.nova.org/html_docs/rrs....ep.html#wiring

          You can also find Rider Prep on that site but since you are only asking about the bike...

          Water is usually prefered (less slippery and easier to clean)

          Safety wire... Everything.

          http://www.sportrider.com/tech/146_0002_hand/
          1_16-inch drill bits
          .025- or .032-inch safety wire
          Center punch
          Drilling jigs
          Eye protection
          Factory manual
          Hammer and assorted hand tools
          Hose clamp
          Pneumatic or electric hand drill or a drill press
          R-clip
          Safety-wire bend tabs
          Safety-wire pliers
          Silicone sealant
          Small vise
          Tapping Fluid
          Torque wrench


          Where you go and who organizes the event ultimately say how much you need to do.

          At Tony's Trackdays there really isn't alot.

          Racing in the LRRS there is more. Same track different standards.

          Hope it helps! Damn good question.
          BIKES: Honda: RC31 Racebike/ NT650 Streetbike, DUCATI: None at the moment.
          Former MSF Rider Coach / Trackday Instructor/ Expert Roadracer #116
          "I'd rather ride a slow bike fast than a fast bike slow."

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            #6
            This is a very informative & useful thread, so I've made it a Sticky.
            1988 "BlackHawk" project
            1989 "RallyHawk" is Chuck's now!
            1988 "The Gray" Tempest Gray Metallic stocker

            I can't tell you how peaceful it is. Shinya Kimura
            People who know ride Hawks. Riot

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              #7
              Originally Posted by Doc
              Now does anyone know where I can get a Jig?
              for safety wire? now thats something i can help you with. lol.

              http://store.summitracing.com/partde...5&autoview=sku

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                #8
                You sure that is what I need?


                Thanks, looks the business too.
                BIKES: Honda: RC31 Racebike/ NT650 Streetbike, DUCATI: None at the moment.
                Former MSF Rider Coach / Trackday Instructor/ Expert Roadracer #116
                "I'd rather ride a slow bike fast than a fast bike slow."

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                  #9
                  Originally Posted by Doc
                  You sure that is what I need?


                  Thanks, looks the business too.
                  well, to be honest, i dont recall ever using it with metric bolts... i used them when i worked on prop planes and cars..
                  but that one is somewhat universal... and a heck of alot easier then doing it by hand in a vice.
                  you can do it with that and a hand drill, but id still reccomend a drill press though. clamp it down, set it up, and you can drill a couple bolts the same size one after the other.

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                    #10
                    AMA rules page here: http://www.amadirectlink.com/rulebooks/
                    '88 Hawk GT
                    '89 Harley FXSTC
                    2008 Yamaha V-Star 1300 tourer

                    http://www.hawkgtforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=948

                    "...my performance ain't perfect, but its loud, and its fast..." -Widespread Panic

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                      #11
                      http://www.maberacing.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3

                      and

                      http://www.maberacing.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=24
                      CVMA Expert 434
                      LD Designs :: Pirelli :: Racer's Edge :: Woodcraft :: Chuckwalla Valley Raceway

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                        #12
                        Originally Posted by Doc
                        Now does anyone know where I can get a Jig?
                        Doc, do yourself a favor and forget the drilling jig. Spend the money on extra carbide drill bits. (Carbide bits will roll through both stainless and titanium hardare like butter). With the jig and a vise you will break more drill bits than you can imagine. Your best bet is to leave the hardware in place on the bike whenever possible and then mark it with a punch. Now take your drill and give the bit a little drop of cutting fluid (WD40 in a pinch) and start drilling your hole. Keep your drill speed low. Always start your holes perpendicular (right angles) after the bit starts cutting and boring a hole you can slowing/gently apply the desired angle. This will keep the bit from walking off the bolt head. The most important thing to remember is that as you start to break through the other side of the hole you're drilling you need to decrease pressure on the drill. The goal being to break through as you remove all pressure from the drill. But keep the drill spinning DO NOT allow the bit to stop turning until you have withdrawn the bit from the bolt.

                        It seems that bits always break when start drilling a hole at an angle and when you break through at the end of a hole. This method avoids both. I learned to drill/wire from a helicopter mechanic and a Naval Flight Engineer. They also gave me some awesome tips on drilling and tapping new threads and removing stripped/broken hardware.

                        Speaking of which after I recover from this long winded diatribe I will post a trick on how to reduce/prevent the fatal cam chain flop that kills Hawk motors on over rev.
                        Faster than your mother... She's what the pros use.

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                          #13
                          Loudon

                          i am new to the forum, We have a formula 3 class in USCRA at loudon NH mostly Hawks And other smaller bikes Great Class! Best club racing around. I just Got a 1990 Hawk love it



                          Originally Posted by MrDude_1 View Post
                          hey, anyone know where i can find a newbie guide for racing?

                          id like to make sure i keep my bike "track legal" as im modding it, and id like to know the little details things.. like the dots.. the small letter by the numbers, ect..

                          i plan to eventually take my hawk on a couple trackdays.. but mostly shes a streetbike.
                          Last edited by Doc; 04-16-2012, 08:41 AM.

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                            #14
                            What kind of times are run at Loudon on the Hawk?

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                              #15
                              Lap record on a Hawk at NHMS is Gino Berrio at or around a 1:15 iirc.

                              Mine is a 1:21.0

                              Of course our bikes are superbike spec. Not sure what the record for a Vintage/stock Hawk are.
                              BIKES: Honda: RC31 Racebike/ NT650 Streetbike, DUCATI: None at the moment.
                              Former MSF Rider Coach / Trackday Instructor/ Expert Roadracer #116
                              "I'd rather ride a slow bike fast than a fast bike slow."

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